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Idea For Morgan Dollar Short Set - Type And Mintmark

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Apologies for the length of the post...

Finding the idea of collecting the whole series of Morgan dollars to be too pricey, I think I've settled on a goal of completing a short set that I'm calling a "type and mintmark" set. Whereas a "date and mintmark" set would include each date and each mintmark of each such date, the set I'm thinking of would include each major type (not VAMs) and then one example of each mintmark that was applied to such type. I think this will result in about 12 coins, which I will house in a blank Morgan dollars Dansco page to be included at the front of my Peace dollars album.

However, I'm looking to the wisdom of fellow board members to fully define the members of the set, as well as understand some vocabulary used in connection with Morgan dollars. As I understand (and please correct any misunderstandings I have below), Morgans have the following types:

1) Eight Tailfeather Reverse - To my knowledge, the only member of this type is the 1878 minted at Philadelphia.

2) Eight over Seven Tailfeather Reverse - Again, to my knowledge, the only member of this type is the 1878 minted at Philadelphia.

3) Seven Tailfeather Reverse of 1878 - I believe RedBook refers to this one as the "Second Reverse." The 1878 minted in Philly is a member of this set, as are an 1879S and an 1880CC. [I think the answer is that 1878CC and 1878S are the Reverse of 1878/Second Reverse]

4) Seven Tailfeather Reverse of 1879 - I believe RedBook refers to this one as the "Third Reverse." The 1878 minted in Philly is a member of this set. Do the 1878CC and 1878S fall into this type, or are they both Reverse of 1878/Second Type? [Again, I think the answer is that 1878CC and 1878S are the Reverse of 1878/Second Reverse]

5) 1921 Type - I'm not sure what the difference is, but I've read the 1921 Morgans can be considered a different type.

Additional questions to those above:

* Are there any coins minted 1879 and later, other than a 1879S and 1880CC, that have the Reverse of 1878/Second Reverse? [I think the answer is no]

* Do all coins minted 1880 and later, other than the 1880CC and the 1921's, have the Reverse of 1879/Third Reverse? [I think the answer is yes]

* Are there other significant Morgan types I'm missing in the list above? Again, I'm not looking to collect the universe of eleventy billion just the major types. [I think the answer is no]

Based on what I think the answers to my questions are, I think my set will include the "bookends" of the Morgan Series: 1878 8TF, 1878 8TF/7TF, 1878 Rev '78, 1878 Rev '79, 1878CC, 1878S, 1921, 1921D, and 1921S, which is nine coins. That would mean my set would include the following:

1) Eight Tailfeather Reverse: 1878.

2) Eight over Seven Tailfeather Reverse: 1878.

3) Seven Tailfeather Reverse of 1878: 1878, 1878CC, 1878S.

4) Seven Tailfeather Reverse of 1879: 1878, plus an example from each of Carson City, New Orleans, and San Francisco. This may be where I have some freedom to choose a few years other than 1878 and 1921 to add some variety to the set. Maybe one represeting each of the 1880's, 1890's, and 1900's, so that each decade of the Morgan series is represented in the short set in addition to the bookends. This approach looks to be cheapest if I get a CC from 1880's (1882, 1883 or 1884), an S for the 1890's (1890, 1891, or 1898), and an O for the 1900's (1900, 1901, 1902, or 1904). Any suggestions?

5) 1921 Type: 1921, 1921D, 1921S.

Total coins = 12. A tailor-made short set for a single 12-port blank Morgan dollar Dansco page, provided my assumptions above are correct.

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Brian
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1880 CCs have a number of types, the '80 O has a couple of overdates, there's an O over S for the '82 O, both '87 and '87 O have a 7/6, there's an '88 O DDO, an 1900 O/cc, and a 1901 DDR. I'm not sure if 12 coins would cut it... Those are just modern Red Book varieties, no mentioning some of the more popular VAMs.

Not a bad place to start though! If you like the varieties, limit yourself to examples of just the varieties and skip the rest. "The scarce coins keep getting scarcer, the common coins just stay common". So you'll be able to get those any time! Then, when you're at a show or a shop and you see one you can't live without, get it. But focus on your variety set?

That's what I would do. I have it on good authority that's what John Wayne woulda done, too.
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I didn't see the 1878 with the B1 Reverse which has the long nock of the 7/8TF but has no extra tail feathers. This would be VAM-70 through VAM-86. The cheapest would probably be the VAM-83 and VAM-84 from this set which sells for about what any normal 1878 7TF would sell for. You may be able to get away with a 7/0TF Morgan in this category also, its just up to you I guess and VAM-33 would probably be the cheapest of these I can think of off the top of my head. The 1878 with the reverse of 1879 could be represented by a 1879 coin I would imagine. If you are just wanting a type set the Reverses would be the only thing different and most of your Reverse dies can be represented by 1878 and 1879 coins only unless you want the 1921 Reverse which looks totally different to any Morgan collector from any other year (some people say they can't see a difference but I can definitely tell a 1921 from any other date by just looking at the coin and not the date)
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I really like your idea, except as Bryan mentioned, the B1 Long Nock reverse. You'll find these (once you research, which is my hint) on other issues than 1878-P, but not many. Enough to consider slightly expanding your short set to include each mint mark of each type.

There are C-Reverse (what you're calling "Rev of '79") subvarieties scattered throughout the mintage; I don't think they're relevant to your goal and don't recommend them.

Yes, I could spoon-feed you this stuff. The extent of your existing research tells me that you'd enjoy it more finding out for yourself, and I promise that you can gather all the info you need without leaving your computer.
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 Posted 11/26/2012  8:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kellyk to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What fun! Great idea and you made my day as I have one of each of the 12 Morgans you mentioned! Ss Dave andBryan, I don't have a 1878 B1 yet so now one more M to add to my growing list! Gotta love collecting!!
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this is my one per date set http://coins.www.collectors-society...&Ranking=all and this is my date/mm set which used to be about 92% complete before I started collecting VAM's (at the time I was concentrating on all MS-64 grades) http://coins.www.collectors-society...&Ranking=all

Edit: TBK, your link doesn't take us to your set
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This thread is starting to give me another Numismatic itch, each active mint from each decade of Morgans, 1921 excluded.
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This thread is starting to give me another Numismatic itch, each active mint from each decade of Morgans, 1921 excluded.


Heck, you might as well add the 1921's. They'll be the easiest and cheapest of the bunch, even Uncirculated.
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Heck, you might as well add the 1921's. They'll be the easiest and cheapest of the bunch, even Uncirculated.


Nah, not enough WOW factor to the 1921's
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The 1921-D IS necessary for a Branch Mint Collection (CC, D, O, P & S), which you could incorporate into your (longer) set.
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