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1795 2 leaf Flowing Hair Half Offered for sale to me. Sorry for the phone pics, but you should be able to tell. I can answer all questions as well. My Problem is that there are supposedly MANY Variations of this coin? That sucks. Also, Internet says that edge should say "Fifty Cents or Half a dollar" Coin Book says the Edge should say "fifty cents or a half dollar". Is this an error in the Red Book? I will post Six Pics. The edge on this coins says "Fifty Cents orHalf a dollar" Just like that, no space between "or" and "Half". Book says Weight should be 13.48g. This one weighs 13.20g on a certified scale. This coin is Silver. Having a hard time posting image. I will post it as a reply. |
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Man, those pics are worse than I thought, So... The Image is Exactly like this one from ebay: Item number 110979883027 (competed listing, you will have to log in to view it) You can just search ebay for the item number if you dont want to follow the link. http://www.ebay.com/itm/1795-O-115-...047675.l2557So the coin I have in front of me is the exact as that one from ebay. Does that one from ebay look real? I am looking at all the different ones online, and there are so many variations. Some have Two Berries by the Eagles Tail, some only one. Some have extra leaves by the O in "Of America". What do yall think? |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Just because it looks like a real one doesn't mean its real. I'm really not good with these halves but I would lean towards fake here. either way, I wouldnt buy one without a slab
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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I think it's going to be tough to give you purchasing advice based on those pictures. It may be hard to even ID the die pair. Even if the pictures were excellent, it's not a coin I would be comfortable purchasing without authentication by a TPG.  |
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United States
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Yea, thats what I thought. But, I'm in a situation where I would be the one buying at a low price, getting authenticated and then selling at a high price. So I guess that leaves me with the Risk. LOL.
What do you guys think about having no space between "OrHalf"? Is that strange?
How about the weight? Does it have enough wear to justify the weight difference?
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Also, how about that one on the ebay link? That guy has good feedback. If I could provide big nice pics like that, do you think any of you would be able to identify it a little better? |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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If you have this coin to examine, I would suggest you find a local coin dealer with experience in early American coins. I don't have the experience to comment on the edge lettering--perhaps someone will chime in? I checked out the ebay link, but honestly it's not something I would attempt to buy unless I had 100% faith in the seller. My personal opinion on the coin is...anyone selling this coin for cheap might know something you don't. |
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I've moved this thread to a place where it will get a more dedicated audience. First, by the standards of numismatics your coin is very little like the one on ebay. I don't say this to belittle you, but to illustrate just how far you are from being able to correctly judge, and how close you are to throwing away whatever money this will cost you. First, compare the AM in AMERICA between your coin and the ebay one. Your coin has a berry pointing to the underneath of the A; the ebay coin does not. The ebay coin has a leaf connected to the lower right of the D in UNITED; yours does not. Look at the locations of the tips of the second hair curls (from the bottom) on your coin and the ebay one. You'll note they're different. Compare the front tip of the bust, as it relates to the adjacent star. Not the same. Better images will help greatly. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Very tough with these pics, but I'm thinking an Overton-129 for this coin. And MisterMoney, a bit of advice: unless you know exactly what that means, I wouldn't put down the money for this coin until you do.
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It looks too nice to be real. Perfect rims, no softness of strike anywhere. Plus it looks a little grainy in appearance. My money is on that it isn't real.
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First, to the Forum! Second, Quote:First, compare the AM in AMERICA between your coin and the ebay one. Your coin has a berry pointing to the underneath of the A; the ebay coin does not. The ebay coin has a leaf connected to the lower right of the D in UNITED; yours does not. Look at the locations of the tips of the second hair curls (from the bottom) on your coin and the ebay one. You'll note they're different. Compare the front tip of the bust, as it relates to the adjacent star. Not the same.  with SsuperDdave. Your coin does NOT compare favorably to the ebay coin. The lettering is wrong, the reverse berries are wrong and the eagle's neck/head is wrong. Walk away. |
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United States
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Another opinion of caution. Diagnostically wrong.
Walk!
swcoin.ecrater.com
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"What do you guys think about having no space between "OrHalf"? Is that strange?"
I can only tell you what I see on my 1795 Half Dollar....There are 3 symbols between the word or and half. My coin is definately genuine and certified by NGC. My other 1795's are in ANACS and PCGS holders, so I cant see the edges on them.
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The edge lettering was applied by a Castaing machine, which rolled the coin between two bars, each of which provided half the motto. The symbols between OR and HALF are in the area of one of the "seams" between the two halves of the legend, which always varied in how close or far they were from one another. SuperDave's only reason to point out the differences between this coin and the one on ebay was to show how two die varieties can look superficially similar, not to say this coin was clearly counterfeit. |
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United States
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You guys are awesome! OK, So you are correct, There are some good differences with mine and the ebay coin. Overton -129. You are correct, I see no differences. This is likely the one. Copy or not, It looks just like the Overton 129. (but I also thoght it looked like the ebay one at first) Cool info on the Casting Machine Rolling the Edge motto on. So The no space does not rule it out. When were most fakes made? I know this has been in the owners possession for 25 years. Were fakes as prevalent back then? I'm guessing yes, but I just want some verification. And I'm not ignoring all those giving the "Walk away" advice, just going through all my options. If the owner allows it which I think is possible, I might send it off for authentication. Anyone know the best place to do that? How much does it cost? PCGS, NGC, ANACS, and ICG. Easiest, Fastest? |
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