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1880 5 Dollar Gold You Vs. PCGS *some New Pics*

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I would really love to hear what you guys think. I'm not saying I disagree but I have my questions. It's very hard to capture the true image so there are a lot of different angles and lights. The reverse plastic has a smudge. Thanks for the opinions.

1880 FIVE dollar gold (Oops! Originally listed as 2 1/2 dollar)

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First thing I notice is, this coin is a half eagle and not a quarter eagle. The strike is a tad soft but the luster is great with a bit of contrast between the fields and the design on the obverse. In in the right obverse field, I see a bunch of scratches that look like they could be distracting and could cause it to receive a details grade. If it did happen to grade, I think it might grade MS-61 PL after a point deduction for the scratches. Other than that concern, I think it is a nice coin.
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D0uble3Eagle,

Thanks for catching my error. I corrected the post. There is a lot of contrast and luster but it is very hard for me to capture this especially in its holder. I'm going to try and get some better images.
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Try using a dark (black) background behind your camera to reduce the "reflectivity" of this coin. It does "appear" to have some "prooflike" reflection, but has also been out in circulation, or as D0ubl3Eagle put it that the strike was a "tad soft".

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 Posted 11/29/2012  12:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mkman123 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
looks to have some PL surfaces. Could be a AU58
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These photos don't seem to show much luster but the fields seem free of friction. The devices show undisturbed mint frost so I'd guess it is a mint state coin. Obverse hairlines, spots, and apparent muted luster would limit the grade to MS-62 at best. PCGS was likely picky and gave it MS-61.
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Tough call I think technically the coin is mint state but it has enough issues that they may have market graded it down to a high AU.

I will say MS-61
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1880--5-Dollar-Gold-You-Vs.-PCGS-*some-New-Pics*

Thank you all for your post. I appreciate you sharing your knowledge. My only concern was with the no PL bonus. Everybody who's seen the coin believes it's PL. In hand it's a nice cameo appearance with mirror like fields.
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From the pictures, it definitely looks proof like.
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I noticed that too. Probably an early strike.
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It does have some PL qualities, but not enough to justify the designation. I have no experience with grading gold, but would have said AU53-55, so it's a good reference point for me that PCGS calls this AU58.
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I would have really liked to see it pictured without any plastic covering. Any blemishes show upon the coin as well as in the plastic. Same applies when you have a slabbed coin, and your opinion of the grade differs from that of the TPGrader. Quite often, it is hard to discern if the scratches are in the plastic, or the coin.

Apart from any scratches which I can't make my mind up about, (and therefore ignoring those), there is some wear on Liberty's hair and on the eagle's neck feathers.

I will try to grade it anyway. AU55.
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NGC does PL for gold, PCGS does not. Reason is for $20 gold, I've seen $20 libs with pl surfaces not get PL but when submitted to NGC they get PL
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Don't really see many coins in AU with a PL designation anymore, I have an 1897-O Morgan dollar in AU-53 DMPL in an older small white ANACS holder. Only have kept it because it's extremely tough coin in DMPL, not so much in AU-53 without the DMPL, unfortunately the coin has toned to almost an ugly brown the past 20 years or so, when I got it it just had golden brown toning starting on the rim. No way it ever go DMPL in todays market, I took it in a trade so did alright price wise.
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