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Need Help Attributing My Apollonian Drachm

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I need help with attributing this one. The coin came with an attribution but I believe it is incorrect. Thanks for your help.

ILLYRIA. Apollonia. Circa 340-280 BC. AR Drachm (17mm - 2.97 g). Theodoros, magistrate. ΘE/OÎ"ΩPOΣ, suckling cow standing left, grain ear in exergue / Double stellate pattern. SNG Copenhagen 395.

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Looks about right to me. Very nice coin.
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i have no idea what that is w00zi, but what I dig the cow and calf and the reverse is interesting. very nice.
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It is definitely Illyria, definitely Apollonian and definitely Theodoros...I cannot find your attribution

Interesting piece I have one similar and not as good condition. We might have to wait for one of the more knowledgeable members to chime in...

I wish I could help more...this is going to bother me...

What makes you think this is incorrect?

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It is definitely Illyria, definitely Apollonian and definitely Theodoros...I cannot find your attribution


Same here, but I'm still looking.
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I am quite certain the only part of the attribution that is incorrect is the SNG Copenhagen 395 part. I tried searching wildwinds for another example but I was not successful.
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I wonder if this can be from the city of Dyrrhachium rather than Apollonia?
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No, I don't think it can be Dyrrhachium. The coins from this city, the cow always faces in the opposite direction of the OP coin. Oh well. Back to the drawing board.
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I have no idea about this coin, but what a great looking coin...well centered and nice detail...
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Nothing on Acsearch either.
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Here is some history associated with the coin for anyone interested. In classical antiquity, Illyria was a region in the western part of the Balkan Peninsula inhabited by Illyrians tribes. The city of Apollonia, modern day Albania, lay in this territory and was founded by Greek colonists from Corfu and Corinth in 588 BC. Apollonia was considered to be one of the most important of the several classical towns in the region. The city grew rich on the slave trade and local agriculture, as well as its large harbor, said to have been able to hold a hundred ships at a time. The city also benefited from the local supply of asphalt which was a valuable commodity in ancient times which was used for caulking ships. Aristotle considered Apollonia an important example of an oligarchic system, as the descendants of the Greek colonists controlled the city and prevailed over a large serf population of mostly Illyrian origin. The city fell under Roman rule in 168 BC after the Illyrian Wars. Apollonia flourished in the Roman period and was home to a renowned school of philosophy, but began to decline in the 3rd century AD when its harbor started silting up as a result of an earthquake. It was abandoned by the end of Late Antiquity.
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Interesting background history on the region!

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The city also benefited from the local supply of asphalt which was a valuable commodity in ancient times which was used for caulking ships.
Interesting to consider that tar is a by-product of petroleum seeping to the surface...probably where oil fields are located in Albania today.
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It would seem to match Ceka 60 except for the barleycorn. Ceka, H.: Questions de numismatique illyrienne. State University, Tirana, 1972.

http://home.kpn.nl/fschinkel/apollonia.htm

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The reverse of this coin roughly translates to, "from the glory of Apollo," which makes sense as Apollo was the main god worshiped in Apollonia. If this is a new unknown coin, how does one go about adding it to the public database?
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