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1807 Draped Bust Type And Value?

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I know this coin would probably grade AG/G and it has a full date though but I have been told this is a 1807/6 type but I don't see it. What do you think and what is the value of it?



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The bottom part of the 6 is fairly obvious on that variety...
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I blew up your pic and could not see any indication of it being the over date. Hopefully some other members will be able to confirm or tell me I am blind. LOL
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Wonder if the corrosion has changed the appearance/angle of the crossbar of the seven?
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Well it is definitely Rev A (S-271,272, and 273)
And the upright of the 1 is too far away from the curl to be 271 or 272. So it is S273 the large 7/6 overdate.
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"I blew up your pic and could not see any indication of it being the over date. Hopefully some other members will be able to confirm or tell me I am blind. LOL"

I didn't see it either that is why I asked. I don't want to start seeing something that isn't really there. I don't really see much corrosion on this coin as someone stated though. It is heavily worn and dark though, as coins this old unaltered can be. What would you expect to pay for this coin? RedBook says anywhere between $32 to $75. The date is full, it definitely isn't VG although VG coins have full date. I would give it a G by RedBook standards and maybe AG/G using PCGS photograde.
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I do have a tendency to just start seeing that are just not there, especially when someone mentions an error or variety of a coin. I have a rainbow toned Shield nickel that was mixed in a lot of 200 V nickels that appeared to be 1879. After doing a high resolution scan I can obviously see it is a 1870 with part of the 0 worn off and a smudge across the 0 making it look like a 9. This may have been intentionally done to forge a key date. I wanted to list it on ebay but think I will just keep it instead of concerning myself whether it was really a 1879 or not when I sell it for $5-$10. This large cent coin though doesn't really have much of a commission over other varieties really.
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Here is the shield.


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See, conder dropped the 200 bucks on the type books for the large cents, so no fair. LOL

Something told me there would be other diagnostics I did not know.
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See, conder dropped the 200 bucks on the type books for the large cents, so no fair. LOL

Something told me there would be other diagnostics I did not know.

I know what you mean, people often add other diagnostics whether correct or not or even asked. I know it is dark but don't see any major surface issue. I think the dark color makes seeing the 7/6 hard to see just like that weird toning on that shield makes the date hard to see.
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No, this is no $200 coin. I think it is worth $37. I got a good deal on it though at $18 I think. I can put any value on I want on it though but it really has to sell for that.
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He means that the book that Conder Bought cost $200, not that the coin is worth that
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He means that the book that Conder Bought cost $200, not that the coin is worth that


Oh, I misread that. You are talking about there are other characteristics of the type besides the "6" which is obviously difficulty to see in this dark coin. I thought you meant diagnostics when someone mentioned "corrosion", which I don't see much of. It is dark and low grade.

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Yes, often times there are several diagnostic characteristics aside from the main variety type. Differing die cracks or spacing of numbers or serifs or any number of other things that can confirm the variety. Being able to find those other things out can also help you weed out fakes. A 37D 3 leg Buffalo nickel for example, has a couple other things that are unique to that coin and are diagnostics.

And yeah, the 200 bucks is the cost of the two volume book listing all the types of the large cents.
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AG Details. About $25-30
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AG Details. About $25-30

I am not sure of the "details" and if that would be the grade but you are probably right. I know this coin does not look like it had been altered at least in a long time and it is at its last toning stage black. At this stage though the toning becomes corrosion. People and grading services are more forgiving of a coin this age. I think you are right about the worth though. I tried to list it on ebay for more with no hits. If I listed it for amount a little less than thirty, it would sell.
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