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Meaning Of "Decreto De 1870" On A Brazilian 2000 Reis 1889

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Hi all of you, can any one know what decree announced in this year 1870 seen on the reverse side of the coin? Thank you, Henry
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 Posted 12/10/2012  08:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Fuzzy317 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
EDIT - not sure of the meaning
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Many South/Central American coins have a date of the law that specified the fineness and weight of the coin. I am assuming that this is what they were referring to here also?.
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Rdwarrior is right. In this case, it's specifying that this coin is made following the decree of 1870, making the fineness 0.917 and the weight about 25.2 grams. This is from the 3rd monetary system of the Brazilian Empire (which started in 1833).
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960Coins, I can't see the country of origin of you. Where are you from? It seems you are an expert of Brazil 960 Reis, how about those 640 Reis? I am not familiar with Brazil old coin especially those 640 Reis; one reason is the lacking of relevant reference books from me. I have two of them that I think they are fake but the edge of them are perfectly minted. The one I believe is genuine also has a similarly well-minted edge. So I find it difficult to distinguish the fake from genuine by the edge for these coins. Do you think so? Please have a look of them. Henry

Fake! 18.71 grams, 37.7mm, nicely toned.
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Another fake! 19.03 grams, 38.0mm (must be fake because I found another item of same position worn from ebay years ago)
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Genuine! 17.92 grams 36.6-37.3mm
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Wonghinghi: the top coin was toned in an oven. It has the rainbow coloration. It's very hard to imitate real patination.
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Thank you jcmworld. I have no idea about toning. When I started to collect silver coins, I supposed a beautiful silver coin should have a silvery lustren so I rubbered some silver coins to remove the toning layer and now I regretted to do so because I have spoilt that coins. Not only me, I saw some Chinese coin seller also cleaned and wiped the silver coins so they thought the attractiveness of a silvery coin would sell a higher price. Maybe the cultural difference that makes us not to appreciate the toning of a coin. Henry
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@jcmworld

Your comment about the fake toning is very interesting. I am a new collector and appreciate this kind of information, as my fake-spotting ability is at the moment very poor.

Where can I find out more like this?
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Aside from the artificial toning of the first one, I don't see anything immediately suspicious about those 640s. Note that 640 reis were not overstruck, so it's to be expected that the edges are generally better-formed.
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It´s the Decree nº 1817, dated September, 3-1870. It regulates coin´s size, weight and amount of silver in coins made of that metal. It discontinuates other coins too and prohibits identifying coin´s value using roman algarisms.
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