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Mint Releases 2013 Product Schedule - West Point ASE Set

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 Posted 12/12/2012  7:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thats actually a good point about the 2 W ASEs, I would assume that does mean only the RP will be unique to the set though they could do the W proof with no mint mark to keep it unique or something like that.

If the other coins in the set arent going to be unique to the set. I wish they would just do a stand alone RP, Its generally what I'm after for the sets anyway

For what its worth the 27k canceled orders cost the mint over 4 million in sales.
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 Posted 12/12/2012  8:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add denco7 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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For what its worth the 27k canceled orders cost the mint over 4 million in sales.


...... but the returns also brought the population down far enough to make the RP the fourth scarcest ASE in the series. Good for those of us who bought the set.
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 Posted 12/12/2012  8:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It was good for us, that cost the mint more money too. Those two things alone is what surprises me that theyre repeating that ordering method or considering it at least it looks like
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We owe a great debt to Teddy Roosevelt for so many fantastic coins.

Not just the St. Gaudens Gold, either: The ATB Quarters commemorate the National Park system that Theodore Roosevelt was instrumental in founding!

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I would have liked the Roosevelt dime to be of Teddy instead of FDR.

(the Dime is way overdue for some kind of overhaul!)

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They are releasing the ASE proof early this year....

...so it will "sell out" before the West Point Set comes out!

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they could do the W proof with no mint mark to keep it unique

(but this would make too much sense!)
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12/12/2012 8:53 pm
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 Posted 12/12/2012  9:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stev18 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I was kinda hoping to see a RP gold buffalo on the menu. What a sweet first gold purchase it would make. I'll be ordering 1 proof within the first 30 days and keeping it boxed up and on the back burner till they annouce what the deal is with the 2 coin set. I can always buy a graded one later or off it on the Bay if its the same one in the set...
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 Posted 12/12/2012  11:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add smokeriderdon to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I saw plenty there I want to get, including the 2 coin set. So if the proof is the same as the single coin, I end up with two beautiful 1 ounce silver coins. Oh my God, I will have to shoot myself if that happens. The horror.
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All of the modern proofs have mint marks on them, so if they made one without a mint mark it would seem like a bullion issue. Don't expect this to happen. And I am ok with selling the West Point ASE separately and as part of the 2-coin set. As long as the second coin is not sold elsewhere. And I don't that will happen either. It should be a good year.
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 Posted 12/13/2012  07:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Teach to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have a subscription for 2 proof ASEs from the mint, so I assume I will own two ASEs before I have any idea what the coin set is about. I'm thinking now I am going to end up with at least 3 regular proofs now after they come out with the new set unless they come out with two different coins. One can only hope. I wonder when we will find out the details of the ASE set? I'm sure it will be a vapor blasted UHR, reverse proof with no mint mark :-)
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Just some comments...

It took 7 months for the 2012 PF to be sold out. I doubt if the 2013 will be "sold out" in 3 1/2 months so everyone will have plenty of time to see what is included in the two coin W set before ordering their separate W proofs.

Regarding the SF set and "cancellations"...a lot of those were because of quality issues and different shipping dates and not the dislike of the actual set. West Point Mint does not have the same quality issues.

The one month availability worked fine and MUCH better than the 5 hour frenzy of the 25th Annie set and definitely better than the nebulous random "we're now sold out" of other issues. The only issue with the one month thing was the staggered release of the sets which can easily be corrected IF they want to.

I do agree that the W PF in a set and as a separate issue is weak....but look at the retread "limited edition" proof set that is for sale now...if collectors buy those leftovers (it WILL sell out) then there can be no issue with the 2013 W proof's double availability
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 Posted 12/13/2012  12:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Teach to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would have to cancel my subscription with the mint for the ASE 2013 PF with the mint if I wanted to wait until they announce what type of coins will in this new ASE set. I think I will take my standard 2 ASE PFs and buy the set no matter what the 2 coins are in the set.

The cancellations and returns actually turned out for the best making the mint pop. of these coins lower than most people expected. If this doesn't happen on this new set, we could actually see final sales above 250K. They should just consider selling a lower pop. limit and give it month or a sell out with a household limit.

I hope they don't do the staggered release of the sets, hopefully they learned something from the last set.

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It took 7 months for the 2012 PF to be sold out.

But it "sold out" just in time for the Limited Edition Silver Proof Set.

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I doubt if the 2013 will be "sold out" in 3 1/2 months

, or at least I hope not!
It never hurts to order your W-Proof ASE's early, and the coin's "double availability" isn't an issue (after all, the 2011-W Proof is in the A25 Set!).

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So if the proof is the same as the single coin, I end up with two beautiful 1 ounce silver coins.

again!
Is there such a thing as having "too many" ASE's?

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...if they made one without a mint mark it would seem like a bullion issue.

I would think the Proof finish would be a huge tip-off that such an ASE was not a bullion issue!
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12/13/2012 1:06 pm
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I was glad to see that they already have the 5 oz pucks scheduled for next year. We had to wait until about May this year before we even knew if they were going to sell a "P" puck. Also glad to see that they spread them out over the year, makes it a little easier on the wallet. But I can tell the old wallet is going to take a good hit again next year with the ASEs, the 5 oz pucks, the proof set and the silver proof set. Now I am wondering what the silver proof set will be in 2013, there is only one, but this year we had the standard silver proof set with all of the coins and then we also have the proof set with just the silver coins. I assume the date set is for the old standard silver proof set but I don't know for sure. I also wonder if they are waiting to see how sales go on the all silver proof set this year before they commit to one in 2013. Any thoughts?
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 Posted 12/14/2012  08:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Foxwoods Man to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think the Limited Leftovers Silver Proof Set will, most likely, sell the 50k they have available and the Mint will make some serious cash with it. They have now learned that putting "limited edition" in front of anything will increase sales...

I would expect that the same will happen in 2013...regular silver proof set...regular proof ASE..2 coin proof ASE set with RP..and maybe a limited leftover set at the end of the year...cha-ching!

The only wrench in that prediction is the inclusion of the W proof in 3 products...that might be a tad much for even the Mint to sell
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I think that if they stop making the reverse proof " special " by including it in every anniversary set every year, it is going to take away from the uniqueness of the ASE anniversary sets.

What I would really like to see is a West Point set with a unique gold and silver eagle in it along the lines of the 1995 W 10th anniversary set. Now that would really be a sought after set. How about a 1oz RP Gold ASE and a 1oz RP silver ASE in a beautiful lacquer and satin presentation box.

But that would sell out in minutes and make too much sense
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I thought that I read somewhere that there may be a centennial commemorative of the Indian Head/Buffalo Nickel?
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