How Many ASEs In 2013?

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An ASE with a privy mark would be a first, but I was hoping the "different" 2013-W would be brilliant finish instead of burnished. It would be a nice throwback to earlier bullion ASE's.

I personally don't bother with those (S) and (W) slabbed bullion coins, those are just TPG-created "varieties".

If you buy a roll of 20 ASE's you have no clue where they came from....same coins from both Mints. You need a TPG label to tell them apart...thus...TPG created label variety (not coin variety)

...and Early release means coins released in the 1st 30 days of their availability. That's what the label says...has no relation to when they were minted...just released. I have no opinion whether these deserve a premium..just that the label means what it says.

..I do agree that First Strike is a joke (and an expensive one at that). Perfect example is the "Limited Edition" silver proof set all getting FS labels...all those leftover coins were minted MONTHS ago...even the regular new issues released on day one can be from the last coins struck from a worn out die. A collector has no clue when in the die history it was actually struck. FS puts an assumption of a better quality coin being from the first struck.....bogus.

There are 4 ways to get ASE identified by origin.

Individual slabs by TPG
APMEX MintDirect tubes
TPG certified rolls
Sealed Monster boxes

Only two of these have anything to do with TPGs. And, I suspect, TPGs don't invent those, but only apply them when someone submits a sealed monster box with the origin ID.



ER may be more honest than FS, but, in my mind, just as meaningless. FWIW, NGC does occasionally certify true first strike coins ((e.g., ONE OF FIRST 1000 STRUCK), mostly related to Perth Mint's neverending quest to separate customers from cash. I doubt there will be any serious premium attached to these, but at least it's honest.

Exactly....there is no way the normal collector can identify which Mint a bullion ASE came from..be it a single roll or a single coin. They need an outside agency to document that and enclose that coin with the documentation (slab/sealed roll)

Obviously if you bought a sealed green monster box from a dealer and it said SF on the straps you would know where they came from....but...if you opened that box yourself, again obviously, you (or anyone else) would not be able to tell where they came from by looking at the rolls or coins enclosed.

So if you collect labels it works out for both you and the TPG(or APMEX)

All I'm saying is that it is the same coin from both Mints..the rest all has to do with labeling

Oh and the original question was:




The one bullion ASE covers that type

No offense and I am sure that is the way you and many others feel about ASE's , slabs and TPG's. I know I am new here and perhaps I am speaking out of turn, but there seems to be a snobbery about modern coin collecting, by those who collect classics. And a definite snobbish attitude towards those that collect slabs and our desire to collect all ASE's from a given year even if the distinction between a SF set proof and a Coin and Currency SF proof can only be distinguished by sending sealed boxes to the TPG.

I collect Pandas also, each of the three China mints has a distinguishable mint package one mint has a rope pattern seal on the plastic, one mint has a double rope seal, the other mint has a stitched pattern seal. Are the coins exactly the same ? Yes. If you removed them from the mint package could you ever again be able to tell where they came from ? No. Is it any less important to me to collect same years from different mints ? No.

Many of the Morgan dollars minted in New Orleans and Carson City were made from dies originally used in Philadelphia and then sent to other mints where the " O " and the " CC " were added on to the dies after the fact. Is adding on mint marks to old dies to distinguish where they came from any less collectable than a TPG distinguishing where the coin was minted.

I have every ASE minted in 2012 in an MS 70 except for the Burnished Eagle . Yes the SF set MS 70 and the C and C set MS 70 are the exact same coin, but not to me. And yes
but it is what I collect and the differences mean something to me even if the only physical difference is the TPG label.

But........... even I still will not pay extra for and FS or ER coin, that I agree with you on. Just asking for a little less snobbery towards what " other people like to collect or deem " collectible. Hope my rant didn't offend anyone. I am the new guy here ( even though I have been collecting coins for forty years plus ) I would hate to be the new hated guy here.

Ok, those two sets shared a common coin, but also had something unique that was not available otherwise. But how do you feel about 2012 W ASE? Both proof and uncirculated were available alone and in sets with a bunch of other coins that weren't unique.

These are the ASEs that I think I will purchase:

1. Bullion a) SF b) W
2. Proof West Point
3. Burnished West Point
4. Reverse proof West Point (more than likely)
5. An uncirculated version that will differ from the regular uncirculated version with the "W" mintmark in the West Point set

Am I missing anything?

I will go both ways on this, some will be slabbed by PCGS and others will be OGP.