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Prager (Prague) Groschen ( 1278 -1305)

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Its taken me a while to find one of these: not because of rarity but rather the difficulty of finding one that is attractive and not overly worn. I was interested in getting one of these as it is one of the small "stepping stones" taking coins from the middle ages to the start of the early modern era.

As I understand the story coinage had deteriorated to the point the penny (Pfenig) was simply a small round of foil impressed on only one side ( these are known today as Bracteates).

Actually this "new" coin was officially a Denarii and gained the name Nummi Grosso and ultimately groschen. It is possibly the ancestor of the British groat.

Struck by order of King Wenceslaus II ( I think his predecessor is subject of a Christmas Carol). Its approximately 28 mm in diameter,0.9 mm thick and weighs 3.7 grams. As for grade: well I wouldn't venture an opinion....what attracted me to this example was the toning and uneven planchett it looks like a well circulated survivor and has an attractiveness ( to me) that an Unc example could never match

Prager-Prague-Groschen---1278--1305

Prager-Prague-Groschen---1278--1305
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Nice Coin!
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Nice example of an interesting coin!

I think the first English groat was from Edward I at around 1279 - the term was, I always believed, taken from "gros tournois" - but it may have been influenced by other terms too. I remember reading somewhere that Henry III, may have considered their striking - but I may be wrong in this.
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Nice coin, I'm particularly attracted to lions on coins.
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I believe, at the time this coin was produced, in europe there were economic drivers( predominantly increasing international trade) encouraging the minting of larger coin. this Prager groschen was one of the earlier examples... but also as Bachus2 has pointed out the Gros Tournois was a very influential coin and is likely the direct ancestor of the British groat.

I refer often to Freys Dictionary of Numismatic names but in the case of the Prager Groschen this old book is not very helpful. The entry under Prager groschen notes this coin as having an influence on surrounding nations and giving rise to the name groschen however under "Gros Tournois" Frey seems to state that coin was the one responsible for the development of this family of coins.

Digging else where I find references actually pointing to the Tyrolean Groschen of a few years earlier. I suspect all these slightly different accounts reflect the nationalities of the authors. As a whole I think these different accounts attest to the demands for a more substantive coinage than the Foil like "pennys" that went before.

The concurrent evolution of the type may also be strongly related to common Latin language roots.
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From "Standard Catalogue of English & UK Coins 1066 to Date", 1997 Richard Lobel:

"...In the 1260s the French had successfully introduced a large silver coin with a fairly similar value to the groat, the gros tournois. With England's European trade increasing Edward I realised the importance of larger denominations..."

It was very likely French issued this larger silver coin than England while silver groschen (and/or Tyrolean Groschen)of the same size coin in Germany was issued at the end of 13th Century, a bit later than the above two countries. Actually, they should have the same/similar weight and silver content for the purpose of trade.

Am I correct to say that?

Henry
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