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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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Edited by shanew
01/02/2013 03:52 am
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Canada
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you need some close up pics.
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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I am more inclined to think " Magician's coin". Mule or not, a macrograph of the edge will be needed for us to make a better comment. Do you know anyone with a USB microscope that you can borrow? Have a critical look at the edges with a 20x lens. A jeweler may be able to do that for you. |
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Pillar of the Community
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COULD THIS BE THE SAME RIM AS A MEXICO 1 OR 2 REALES RIM AND WERE THEY MINTED IN THE SAME MINT
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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COULD THIS BE THE SAME RIM AS A MEXICO 1 OR 2 REALES RIM AND WERE THEY MINTED IN THE SAME MINT Easy, no need to shout. I don't know the answer to your question but the coin looks cool. Edits: A mass of your coin may tell something. Off topic: I am jealous of your 40 degrees centigrade down there. We got lows around -3 to 0 C and highs of around 15 C. in California at the moment. Edited by argentum
01/01/2013 11:08 pm
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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what is shouting ah I get it caps lock I see what I have done thanks wont happen again
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 United States
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That is a fantasy coin of some sort .... a genuine Buffalo nickel has a plain edge. David Take a look at my other hobby ... http://www.jk-dk.art |
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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thanks david there are outher coin with this edge rim thats what I am trying to find out there has been many mules over time that have been found this way as I live in australia you guys in the usa would have the great minds to help solve the puzzle of this coin and what planchet it is
I got a email and they said it could be on a mexican planchet 1 or 2 reales or a 8 reale but I have never seen a mexican coin edge
shane
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Perhaps someone hand-engraved the rim?
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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i will try and weigh it it is larger then a normal dime and heavyer can someone give me the weight it should be and the demensions of a 1920 buffalo 5 c it has a f under the date
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Canada
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could be on a mexican planchet 1 or 2 reales or a 8 reale I'm surprised nobody's told the big long story about the minting process yet. I guess it's my turn... Coins are struck with two DIES. The dies are what puts the design onto the coin. All modern coins, whether they have a reeded, lettered, or plain EDGE, are struck in a COLLAR, also known as the THIRD DIE. This is what ensures that the coins are the correct diameter, and it also puts whatever is on the edge (reeding) onto the edge. So that's the minting process. Now. Very rarely, coins are struck with two dies that are meant for two different coins. Coins can also be struck out of collar, making them oddly shaped and larger than a normal coin. HOWEVER, a coin cannot be struck with an incorrect collar. Only one collar can be used with one set of dies. Therefore, it is impossible for your coin to have been struck with Buffalo nickel dies in an 8 Reales collar. 'But if that's true,' you say, 'then what happened?' Have you ever seen a hobo nickel? If not, Google it right now, because they're works of art. Homeless people had a lot of time on their hands, and they would carve new designs into the nickels and whatever other change they might have. Maybe one of them carved the reeds into your coin. Or maybe it's just a modern-day guy with nothing to do. It's not a real error, but it's an interesting coin. Keep it!  |
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Canada
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Oh, and by the way, a MULE refers to a coin that was struck with one correct die and one incorrect die. No other error is a mule, including those involving the collar/third die.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Interesting coin. Sort of looks like two halves put together with somehing inbetween. Not sure what that is all about but always makes me wonder who has all that time to spend messing with a Nickel.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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got a email and they said it could be on a mexican planchet 1 or 2 reales or a 8 reale but I have never seen a mexican coin edge
I do not believe that the US Mint has ever struck Reale denomination coins for Mexico, only Centavos after the Mexican Revolution in the early 1900s. As OddCoins mentioned, the planchet has nothing to do with the final configuration of the edge since that is determined by the collar. |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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That type of edge is not created using a collar (unless it is a segmented collar). You wouldn't be able to push the coin out of the collar. It is applied by an edging machine like the Castaining machine or a machine like the one the letters the edge of our dollar coins. The edge design may be applied either pre-strike if the coin is struck in an open collar, or post strike if it is struck in a close collar. (If done pre-strike and then struck in a close collar the edge design is crushed and mostly wiped out.) The buffalo is struck in a close collar so the edge would have to be applied post strike and since the mint didn't do this, this would be a post mint alteration. One other thing about doing it post mint. it would cause the edge to spread and make the coin look thicker than normal.
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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well thank everyone
now my head is spinning with so many questions
1 if this is not a mule would it be a trail or a error coin ?
2 is this was milled or carved latter by a hobo this would make the coin lighter in weight as some metal would go in the process as this coin is heavyer and slightly larger this would make it a wrong planchet yes
3 so how could we explain the weight increase
4 so if this is heavyer and larger there must have been forgerys of this coin
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Posted 01/01/2013 9:35 pm
