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Kodak Zd710 + Copy Stand + Jansjo Initial Test Results

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I finally got this in the mail, and set it up tonight. Leveled it, still need to tweak the lighting angles and whatnot. Here's my new set-up and a few test shots!

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Any thoughts off the tops of your heads? I know I need to tweak with the white balance a bit and the lighting needs attention. I'm loving the results already however! EXCITED!
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A few more shots with a "full-acid" Buffalo nickel:

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I lowered the lights by about an inch near the coin.
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Think these are better. The lights are now about ~6 inches off the coins.

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I guess my camera doesn't have a manual white balance, just a few presets. So I'll have to work with what I've got I suppose haha. I think these last two are hugely improved over the first few however.
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Cool copy stand, and I love that medal of cabinet of medals! My only comment on your technique is your lights are at too low an angle vs the coin surface. Notice how all the devices on the coins have bright edges. This shows that the lights are reflecting off the edges of the coins rather than the top surfaces, which would result in shadows on the edges of the devices, a more natural "look". Try bringing the lights up as high as you can, even to the point of them literally being between the camera and the coin. This will give a better presentation and less emphasis on surface conditions...
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Looks good to me!
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It seems to do well with larger items, hence why that medal picture is miles above the others. I took your advice about the light angles, it worked wonders already. I'm still tweaking with the manual settings of my camera - it's not a great camera. I'll post more test shots in a few minutes.
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Here is one with the direct lighting - I was unable to get a decent shot of this coin before, with the direct light I could at least get this one to work. I did a little editing on the levels, but otherwise it has not been edited. I don't know, I'm getting a bit closer though. Is it true that nickel with a bit of luster is tricky to photograph?

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Seems I'm struggling with capturing detail - the 1867 nickel has 90% flawless lines, but in the picture they look like a muddled mess. Is that something I can tweak or is that a camera limitation?
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I don't know enough about it to answer. One of these days I will get serious about taking pics also.
I like the pic of that nickel though.
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While it's not a bad picture, I would never use it to say, sell that coin. The detail is very poorly represented, as several small dings which might matter are... "washed" away. I still need to tweak.
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The picture of the nickel looks like it's limited by the resolution/quality of the camera, but the picture of the medal is much higher resolution. My guess is you're cropping it? Can you get the camera closer to the coin so that it fills the frame (while keeping it in focus)?
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I was cropping it, would you advise against it?

I also tried getting it closer to the coin itself, it got a bit better. I'm also experimenting with a really crappy set of macro filters, I'm hoping I can do something with them. I have to take a break, this is all I've been doing since I got home from work 3 hours ago, and all I have in me since about 8 AM this morning is 2 Ramen noodles and about a half pack of cigarettes. I need to take a break. I'm invigorated though, I will keep going until I get this set. Excellent advice so far gentlemen.
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Where dd you get the copy stand and how much was it? Pics look pretty good!!
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I got the copy stand from Adorama, I believe it was around $135. It seems pretty solid thus far, I'm no expert, but the overall quality of the stand seems fairly sound. It's not unbreakable, but it's hefty, and seems like it would support a camera much larger than mine.
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Aside from cropping to a square, I would avoid cropping as much as possible. That's the biggest limiting factor on quality for you right now.
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Lighting on the nickel is much improved vs earlier shots (except the medal, which is pretty nice) but is still a bit uneven. You might try a little diffusion, maybe a tissue over each light, to even it out a bit.

As the Captain said, major cropping is not good for image quality. Most cameras and lenses don't have great detail at pixel level, so it's better to downsize the image versus cropping it. This means getting closer to the coin to make it fill more of the screen. Downsizing creates "artificial sharpness" in the image by eliminating diffraction, lens aberrations, etc.
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