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Pillar of the Community
United States
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It is my understanding that Mint Sets from the US Mint from 2005 through 2010 had a special satin finish. Also, the 2009 pennies in the Mint Sets are 95% copper while the circulation strikes are copper plated zinc. I'm working on noodling circulation versions of all 2005-2010 U.S. coins. According to my 2011 Red Book, there were no circulation strikes of half dollars at all from 2005-2010, and no circulation strikes of Sacagawea in 2007 or 2008. Were there any other coins in the Mint Sets that were not issued for circulation? |
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New Member
United States
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I don't think the 2009 pennies are 95% copper they havn't made them like that since 1982.
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Valued Member
United States
456 Posts |
George, the 2009 pennies from the mint and proof sets are 95% copper.
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Valued Member
United States
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You're right on about the satin finish on Mint Sets and 95% copper cents in the Mint Sets and Proof Sets. There were, however, circulation strikes of halves and Sacs in those years, though they weren't actually released for circulation, just rolls and bags straight from the mint. In fact, all haves since 2002 (including 2002) have been produced this way as well as Sacs from 2002-2008. The presidentials and Native American dollars since 2012 also weren't released for general circulation. |
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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I hate to sound silly, but how can there be circulation strikes that were not released for circulation? I'm confused.
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Bedrock of the Community
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I think hes referring to the MS strikes
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I thought MS meant "mint state". Does it mean something different?
The P&D half dollars from 2005 through 2010 were included in the mint sets with a satin finish. Were they released without the satin finish in any way (e.g. rolls and bags)? I don't care if the satin finish version was also made available to collectors in roll format, I only care if a non-satin finish version was released to the public in any format.
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Bedrock of the Community
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It does I basically use it to describe non proofs which may not be correct since the uncirculated and business strikes get the MS grades while the proofs get the PR. I could be wrong but I'm not aware that they did a collectors uncirculated strike and then a business strike for rolls as well.
Not sure if they were all Satin or not but I've seen some sets where the satin finish wasnt really visible compared to most of the ones I've seen
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Valued Member
United States
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There were satin finish and regular finish Sacagawea dollars produced during this time. The satin finish dollars were part of the mint sets and the regular finish were available in bags and rolls. See this website for a breakdown by year and finish. As for the Kennedy halves, you can extrapolate that the Mint did the same thing if they did it for the Sacs. |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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I hate to sound silly, but how can there be circulation strikes that were not released for circulation? I'm confused What he means is circulation strike quality. The mint makes proof strike quality for collectors and the make circulation strike quality for circulation, mint sets, and sometimes pieces to be sold in rolls or bags. So the halves, Sac dollars, and post 2011 NA and President dollars have all been made in circulation strike quality, but not made for actual circulation. |
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United States
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OK, I think I understand (and thanks for the link!). Let me see if I have this straight. For the years 2005-2010: In 2007 and 2008, there were no Sac dollars released into circulation, but circulation type strikes (without a satin finish) were sold by the US Mint, at a premium, in rolls and bags. My Red Book shows 2005, 2006, 2009 and 2010 Sac dollars issued into circulation, but states that 2007 and 2008 were not. The link provided indicates that Sac dollars were released in 2007, but not 2005, 2006, or 2008. (2009 and 2010 are vague - it seems the Mint sold them postpaid at face value to get them into circulation, so it's a judgment call). Is there an error in the Red Book? That link seems fairly authoritative. The 2005-2010 Mint Sets have half dollars with a satin finish. Based on the way the Sac dollars were treated, it is assumed that there were circulation strikes, without a satin finish, of half dollars available in bags and rolls, but not released into circulation. Other than 2005-2010, the coins in the Mint Sets would be the same as circulation strikes available from the Mint in bags or rolls, or in the case of circulation coins, in rolls from the bank. Is that correct? Edited by larsdog
01/30/2013 4:39 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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The Royal Australian Mint issues mint sets and proof sets every year, and they are all packaged in their own way.
The proof coins are cameo / polished, and the mint coins are struck from fresh dies that are subsequently used to produce circulation strikes.
The 'mint uncirculated' coins are individually extracted from the presses to avoid damage.
The circulation strikes all show evidence of bag marking, these coins are ejected from the coining press onto a pile, and are bulk bagged ex mint. The banks that release them into circulation 'roll their own' for ease of handling and distribution.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Larsdog you are close except that none of the half dollars from 2002 to date have been released into circulation. None of the Sac dollars from 2002 to 2008 were released into circulation. Technically the 2009 - 2011 NA dollars were released into circulation but the only way they got there was from people and banks buying them directly from the mint for face value and the Mint paid the shipping to send them to you. The President dollars from 2009 - 2011 were released into circulation through the federal Reserve and the banks. None of the 2012 or later halves, NA dollar, or President dollars have been released for circulation, they can only be purchased at a premium from the Mint. In some cases these "not made for circulation" coins have gotten into circulation, but only because collectors who bought the rolls and bags at a premium from the mint searched the bags and rolls for high grades and errors and then dumped the rest of the coins at the bank. Another new not for circulation coin that started last year were the 2012 S mintmarked circulation strike quality ATB Quarters. Once again these are only available from the mint at a premium price, but some of them have been dumped into circulation by collectors. Edited by Conder101
01/31/2013 10:10 am
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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And the worst part of all this confusion is how many companies have slots for all of those in their Albums. Of course the same holds true for Proof coins. I sometimes wonder if those companies and the Mint have a thing going to make a little extra money.
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Technically the 2009 - 2011 NA dollars were released into circulation but the only way they got there was from people and banks buying them directly from the mint for face value and the Mint paid the shipping to send them to you. Large quantities of the 2009-2011 Native Dollars are in circulation in the Denver Light Rail system's ticket dispensers (I've received a few hundred of them in change myself), which suggests the local Fed branch distributed them to the armored car service who fills the ticket machines (which give dollar change amounts only in coins). |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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OK, I think I understand. Thanks for clarifying. I did find one 2009D Sac dollar searching 100 loose dollars from the bank, and that's all, so I'll probably just buy halves and Sac dollars off ebay or from dealers when the time comes. I'm busy noodling the lower denominations right now. There are a whole lot more 2005-2008 quarters in circulation than 2009-2010 from the rolls I've searched. I didn't see anything in Red Book about the DC Territories and first year of ATB Quarters not being released to circulation. Is that going to be a concern? Thanks for all the help! |
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