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Denmark 1771 Skilling With Die Blunder--Or Die Break?

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Here's an interesting coin from Denmark. At first, I thought it may be a die blunder or something struck into the die, but I'm unsure--there are cracks leading from the area (arrows).

Denmark-1771-Skilling-With-Die-Blunder--Or-Die-Break?
The reverse is also rotated about 15 degrees.

detail of area--break?

Denmark-1771-Skilling-With-Die-Blunder--Or-Die-Break?

On a similar note, here's Christian 7 of Denmark's monogram on a cannon. On coins of this era, I see the monograms "reflected" to look symmetrical, but I've never seen this on a cannon--perhaps because cannons are much costlier to make than coin dies?

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That monogram looks awesome on the cannon!! And what a beautiful and interesting coin.. I wish I had one just like it, lol

I would also love to know what this could be as well as if its common for the rotated die?
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Yeah--the cannon is amazing too--a lot of the detail was hand-worked after casting.
Striking coins during the 17-18 C. underwent a lot of interruptions from wars, so the quality varied a lot.
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FYI, here's a monogram similar to those on coins--from a cannon made during Christian 6's reign.

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My guess is a late stage die damage. It looks like the crack in question runs into the denticles. There appear to be other signs of Die Deterioration including flow lines, another apparent crack to the right of the crown and die chips to the left of the date and on the G in skilling. Is that wear at 11 o'clock of the obverse or a rim Cud?

The cannon art is interesting too. It reminds me of Louis XIV who had "The final argument of the king" written in Latin as a part of the design of cannons forged during his reign.
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I'm also certain the monogram side (obverse) die is on the later stage of its life. Suffice to say, a lot of coins from this period had production problems--poorly made or worn dies, bad flans, even misspellings on the dies.
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