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Good stuff, the Carr coins are interesting.
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I would NEVER have unmarked fantasy (aka counterfiet) coins soil my collection.
Sorry, but it's over the line.
(The part about being unmarked that is...)
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Dude, awesome! 130.00 is a good deal on that coin. Is it graded or raw? Looks raw, but can't tell for sure. The 12 Silver proof is going to become more valuable as people pull their heads from nether regions and realize just how low that mintage is and get over it being modern.
The perfectly legitimate over strikes are awesome as well. At some point I am getting the 64 Peace. Then I want to get one of those 75s in both Kennedy and Ike.
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@smokeriderdon Yes - I was THRILLED to get it at that price. It is in the original government capsule. I have been looking a awhile now. When I first started looking, I missed an MS69, PCGS slabbed one as a BIN on ebay for 135.00. At the time I did not know what a bargain that would have been b/c I had just started looking. I am not proficient enough to grade these yet so I do not know if this is a 69 or not. But it doesn't matter much to me anyway - it s a beaut that I have sitting out right now just to look at and enjoy. I don't recall ever doing this with anything other than the reverse proof ASEs. @ratio411 We are all entitled to our own opinions. But just so people who are unaware of these fantasy coins will know I am posting the following. There is controversy in the hobby over Daniel Carr's stamping the design of a US Mint made coins - but with a date the Mint never issued - onto a US Mint made coin. Some people believe these are counterfeits that need to have the word copy on them. Others say it is impossible to counterfeit something that was never made. To each his own. So even if one day Carr is told he must stop... it is not illegal to own replica/counterfeit.fantasy coins and I can still enjoy them. There are other threads having to deal with this topic - jus look for them. When I was a kid I used to dream (for some reason only a kid would understand) of owning a 1975 JFK and 1975 Ike. When I saw Carr's, it was sort of a childhood dream come true. And I then fell in love with his other issues so I bought several and enjoy all of them. I especially like having these mingled in with my normal sets so I can watch the surprise on peoples' faces when they notice them. I then get to tell them what they really are. How much squash could a Sasquatch squash if a Sasquatch would squash squash? Download and read: Grading the graders Costly TPG ineptitude and No FG Kennedy halveshttps://ln5.sync.com/dl/7ca91bdd0/w...i3b-rbj9fir2 |
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Congratulations on your awesome coin. You got a heck of a deal.
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WOW! I like all the new additions to your Kennedy collection. Of course your 1998 S matte proof looks great and getting it for $130 makes it that much better. Here is mine for comparison  I wonder if the Carr coins, in 50 years, will end up being like Henning nickels, where those wanting a complete set will want the fantasy coins? Of course there will always be those that love them .. and hate them .. I am in the "I think they are cool group" I need to spend some time on my Kennedy Dansco, I may have access to some more this coming week. I think I need less then 20 coins now. I am sure you know Earle, but maybe others may not, doing a Kennedy with proofs set,is quite a challenge. Very hard to find so many coins and get them in better grades. It looks like your set is coming along well. |
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Earle posted a link to the thread I did about completing my set. Gr58, you are 100% correct. It is a challenge for sure. And while mine is complete, I am looking to upgrade certain coins. So "completing" the set isn't as final as one would think. And dude, NIIIIIICE 98! A 70 beaut. Can't beat that now can ya? Earle, I see no reason offhand that that would not come in at 69. Regardless, it IS great to have that one aint it?  |
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Regarding the Carr overstrikes:
I am totally unfamiliar regarding telling a Carr coin from a legitimate coin of the realm. Can someone please tell me what the difference is. I've looked over the overstrikes that were posted by Earle42 and coin not see any difference between them and either the 1998s and the 2012s that he posted.
This is the first time that I have seen them posted so close together where I could have the opportunity to tell the difference between the two and I really could not tell the difference between the real and the "fantasy" coins. Where does the differences truly lie.
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Ghostrider- check the dates on the Carr's.... 1963 and 1975... No Kennedy's were minted in those years. I could be wrong but I believe he only makes fantasy pieces for years coins were not minted, thus he cannot be told be counterfeited a coin that "doesn't exist"..
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02/09/2013 9:49 pm
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What Nathan said. He does an overstrike on a real Kennedy to make it a coin that was never minted, ie a 1975 Kennedy. There are no Kennedys with a date of 1975. Nor are there any Peace with a date of 1964. I believe he has also done a 1932 Buffalo nickel, which was never actually minted. |
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@GR58 Quote:
WOW! I like all the new additions to your Kennedy collection. Of course your 1998 S matte proof looks great and getting it for $130 makes it that much better. Thanks - for some reason I am still on a high over all of these. And that is an amazing 98 Matte proof you have. I admit after I got coins form you last time, your avatar kept reminding me everytime I saw it that I really wanted one of these! I had promised myself I would finisjh my reference book I am writing in my other hobby - but how could I resist this one for the price?!! So now maybe I have to keep my promise to myself after I get the book finished anyway - this way I can justify having two of them @smokeriderdon Quote:
Earle, I see no reason offhand that that would not come in at 69. Regardless, it IS great to have that one aint it?
You betcha! An Amazing feeling! I hope one day to really study grading and get proficient enough to know what this is - just for fun. Right now while roll searching I am constantly updating and am to the point, with some in the set, that I am having trouble finding anything wrong with them - no wear, no small marks, clean fields - so I am thinking I must be dealing with MS 69s or 70s. BTW - also found a new type I did not have today! a 1971 DDO FS-101 - the words We Trust are doubled - hoping to get pics, but its not the best coins and its not as prominent as the 74 DDO. @ghostrider Natahn is dead on with this. Carr's idea with fantasy coins is to make issues that were never issued, but the mint had plans to produce that changed; or coins the mint made but melted them before release (such as the 1964D Peace dollar and Granklin Half). He stamps them onto legitimate, existing coins. So, for example, the 1963 JFK pictured above was a 1964 half dollar before he over-struck it with the new date of 1963. |
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Not meaning to try and steal the thread but to ask a clarifying quesiton. Granted that the '63 Kennedy was never struck and that point isn't the overstrike turning a legal tender coin into a counterfeit of fantasy coin. Granted at the prices that are being charged for the '63 I would expect it to apprear in circulation, but if it should at that point doesn't it then become a supicious coin.
Then the same agrument could be made regarding the '75 since the coins were not struck by the US mint. That part I now understand. But the issue of turning a valid coin into a fantasy coin isn't that (1) defacing a coin and (2) turning a valid coin into a counterfeit coin even if the coin was valid in the first place.
If a knowledgable clerk should happen to receive a fantasy coin could be seize the coin of the Secret Service and/or refuse to accept the coin even though the metal valus is still there.
I'm beginning to understand the concern that some people have concerning the Carr coins.
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Irregardless, the fantasy coins are nice looking coins
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02/11/2013 12:38 am
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@ghostrider - not sure really what would happen. Thats up to the powers that be to figure out My personal thought (note that word - no facts, just thoughts) are that since anyone receiving one of these would be getting something more valuable than an actual counterfeit or the actual coin it is closest to resembling, that the counterfeit charge should not hold. The premium on these as a collectors item are way up there compared to the closest actual, government issued coin. Personally, if I had to be "taken," I'd like to come out ahead I know other hobbies I have a little knowledge in have copies that are not marked that way, are not distinguishable unless you know something of the hobby, and yet are not seen as illegal (canning jars, some bottles, etc.). I was especially surprised when I got a little education on canning jars a year or so ago. This is the reason I think Mr. Carr can do what he does. I think whoever it is who would take the time to look into this is taking into consideration the intent behind these and also that anyone accidently geting one of these actually comes out ahead instead of being cheated. But nowadays - who knows what will come of this? One other thing I consider, from having experience writing a school handbook from the ground up, is that no matter what a law says, sometime a situation will arise that can be argued from both sides of the law, until the law is amended ... ad nauseum... and the law becomes 40 volumes thick . |
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