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Valued Member
United States
166 Posts |
I have a quick question is it legal for CRH to melt their Canadian pennies? If so what are you Canadians doing with your copper pennies right now?
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
5324 Posts |
its quite clear on the RCM website that defacing a canadian circulating coin is illegal, now that the penny is not circulating.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
1723 Posts |
So you saying that it is ok to melt since they are not circulating officially anymore? Or is it illegal as long as you still find them out in the wild? Whats the interpretation on this?
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Valued Member
Canada
453 Posts |
From the website of the Royal Canadian Mint: Quote: The Currency Act and The Canadian Criminal Code clearly state that no person shall melt down, break up or use otherwise than as currency any coin that is legal tender in Canada. Although the Canadian one cent coin is leaving circulation, it will continue to be legal tender.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
1005 Posts |
Sell them as is. LCS 1.5 c each.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
530 Posts |
Im pretty sure It is legal to melt them in the united states. I know for sure one company is mining the canadian nickel here and melting it. http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/200...ift_ban.html3rd to last paragraph, references the nickel melting. Personally I save them all, missing 5 canadian pennies from the 20's, have a 20$ face bag or so, 80% of it is pre 1980.
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Valued Member
Canada
453 Posts |
Quote: Im pretty sure It is legal to melt them in the united states.
I'm sure you're right because it would seem to me that Canadian coinage that has entered the U.S. : a) is not legal tender (in the U.S.), and b) is no longer under Canadian jurisdiction.
Edited by Jerry_B 02/18/2013 10:14 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
21786 Posts |
I'll bet you the RCM is melting them, as they are withdrawn. So the Mint has the right to melt them but not the Canadian People, who, after all, own them?
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New Member
United States
19 Posts |
Melting is not defacement. Defacement is stuff like scratching off little bits of metal. Melting a coin is taking it out of circulation and is perfectly legal unless there is a specific melt ban. In the US it is illegal to melt copper pennies and nickels since they are worth more than face value now. When they removed silver from the coins in 1969 they came out and said it was now legal to melt the silver coins.
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Valued Member
United States
86 Posts |
I don't know if this is true in Canada but here in America no one "owns" any of the money... Any money in your possession no matter if it is collectable or not is property of the United States government... You are only the "bearer" of it... This goes the same for any bullion such as gold and silver. Hence the whole gold being seized by the government in the 1930's.
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Moderator
 United States
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Quote: Any money in your possession no matter if it is collectable or not is property of the United States government This is incorrect.
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Valued Member
United States
89 Posts |
 All money IS NOT property of the government.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
950 Posts |
Correct me if I'm wrong here.. but isn't it sort of the opposite of what DenverNRG said? Most country's governments DO own the currency, but not the US.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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This is somewhat puzzling to me: Quote: The Currency Act and The Canadian Criminal Code clearly state that no person shall melt down, break up or use otherwise than as currency any coin that is legal tender in Canada. When I was a kid living near the border, Niagara Falls was a frequent visiting spot. The gift shop (called Table Rock - or it was) used to sell bracelets strung with Canadian pennies. The pennies had a hole drilled through them (for a clasp that held them to the links in the bracelet) and were nickel plated so the whole thing looked silver. Could it be that maybe Table Rock paid a US jewelry maker to do these for them? That way Table Rock was not technically breaking this stated law. And yes, they wee legit pennies - not copies - I still have a couple somewhere (George VI and the early Queen Elizabeth II). Through the years I also found some of these defaced pennies in change.
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New Member
United States
21 Posts |
In the US the coins belong to the Federal Reserve, which is a separate entity from the government.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
3692 Posts |
@sel: I'm pretty sure that we just rent the money. It's not really ours technically although we possess it. US coins: I believe these belong to the US Treasury, not the FRS. I could be wrong. Question with an example: Suppose I hoarded $1000 in pennies. They are removed from circulation and I have no intention to put them back. Now suppose that I physically melted these pennies (I don't know WHY people say melt all the time without meaning it). This lump of copper is now the same bunch of pennies that are not circulation. Tell me how anyone is supposed to enforce this crazy law. The coins really ought to spell it out right on it who actually owns the coin, because if the government says that you can't deface/melt/etc coins, then who really owns them? I might possess them but I don't own it. I mean, "Officer, they're not my pennies/drugs, I didn't make them or distribute them and I'm only "holding" them for my friend." And yes, making jewellery out of Canadian coins in Canada is borderline legal. People do it and they don't get charged with anything. You're not supposed to do it but people do. The law isn't enforced regularly or with any conviction; it's totally arbitrary and the law can work for or against you depending if you are liked or not.
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