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 Posted 02/18/2013  6:41 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Owassokie to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Ok, I have this bank that has really bent me over. They instituted a fee for me and me alone. I've spoke with management all the way up to the VP. They roll their own coin. They charge me a fee to buy coin despite the fact they sell their excess coin and pay the courier to pick it up. Bottom line...they think our hobby is ridiculous and will do anything they can to discourage it.

I've been trying to think of options to 'give back' a little bit. This bridge is burnt but I want to leave with some parting gifts...see if I can be as much of a p.i.t.a as they've been for me. If I opened a line of credit, would they be required to take coin as payment even if I refused to pay a fee? If I dump $2000 in pennies, would they be required to take the money, assuming I'm willing to pay the fee?

For those that feel the need to leave the 'you should be better than that' comments...feel free. But hopefully a couple of you will provide some insightful info. I bet FtB can help me out. Also feel free give me additional ideas. Again, the 'turn the other cheek' types will be ignored but you're free to post.
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 Posted 02/18/2013  7:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Broseph to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Some courts have ruled in favor of people rejecting pennies, saying it warranted undue labor. One such case had to do with someone dumping a truckload to pay a plaintiffs fine.

Just be careful my friend!
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02/18/2013 7:09 pm
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 Posted 02/18/2013  7:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ghostrider to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
At one time I was turning (cashing) in up 8 boxes of pennies at a time and they were allowing me to do it. However, Broseph is right in that there is some point where paying in pennies is obnoxious. However, in my case 8 boxes was not it.

One way to get back at them would be to bring in unwrapped coins for deposit. I.E.

48 pennies, 30 nickels, 35 dimes, 27 quarters, 15 halves, 20 gold dollars. That's 155 pieces of coin equaling $39.73. Do it a couple of times and you'll probably be asked to take your business elsewhere. On the lighter side, you are compling with their policy, especially if you bring in other rolls to cash in.

[edit] One way to compound the pleasure would be to have a couple of other people to assist you in this effort (people who are not related to you - just friends). On the down side, I hope this isn't the only game in town or you will have problems.

Also you may want to try this, have a couple of friends also get coins from the bank. I do hope that your not getting and returning coins to the same bank because this is an expense for them to get the coins for you to search.
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02/18/2013 7:27 pm
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 Posted 02/18/2013  7:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add The Silver Searcher to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm a turn the other cheek type.... my old bank accused me of money laundering.
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 Posted 02/18/2013  7:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add amida17 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nothing in life is free. If you enjoy roll searching pay the fee or find another source for your habit. As stated ad infinitum on this site banks are in business to make money not amuse a small minority of their customers. I, personally, could never get caught up in the minutia of 'giving it back'... seems petty....imo
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A bank is a business. Like any business their only goal is to make a profit. If a customer's business isn't profitable they have the right to refuse service and/or implement a fee. If I had to guess I'd say that you don't contribute enough to their bottom line to justify them serving your CRH habit. If that's true you don't have a real grievance & haven't been "bent over". However, if you really feel the need.....rent a safe deposit box & fill it with fresh fish.



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^^^he may have a point

Do you keep enough of a balance to merit the toll you put on them? I try to think about that with the banks I frequent. If you leave $20 in there and make them roll and order coin all the time, it hurts them as a business.
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 Posted 02/18/2013  8:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Fat Freddy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm 100% with you on the idea of giving back. Unfortunately, my only ideas on that subject would lead to legal problems so I don't have any good suggestions for you.
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 Posted 02/18/2013  8:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 1188howest to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
what bank is this and what is their motto? Is false advertising their Achilles heel?
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 Posted 02/18/2013  8:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add FadeToBlack to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
File a complaint against them. Worked for me... Make sure you talk about how they are discriminating against you due to your hobby.

https://www.federalreserveconsumerh...mplaint.cfm?
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02/18/2013 8:20 pm
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 Posted 02/18/2013  8:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add OneBowl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You will lose this war, and most of the battles along the way with consequences that you just might regret later. But, if you must do something, make billions, acquire the bank, cancel direct deposit, fire the evil bankers with no severance, then pay out their final check and accrued vacation in pennies, counted out by kids eating jelly and honey sandwiches.
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 Posted 02/18/2013  9:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add halfhunter to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Fill out the form fade posted.

You will probably win, the bank will then do either one of two things.
#1, they can change your fee schedule with written notice.
#2 they can choose not to do business with you anymore and cancell your account.

If they choose #2, you will most likely get 30 days notice, and 30 days of "free:" dumping. If thats the case and you choose, dump everything you search there for 30 days.
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 Posted 02/18/2013  9:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DavidZerbato to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
All US Mint coins are legal tender and can be used for all debts, public and private. However, a merchant or person is not obligated to accept such payment, they can refuse. Remember, having a bank account, making deposits, etc is not a right, it's a privilege which can be revoked. You don't want this to back fire, open a line of credit go to pay with coin and have it refused. Then, you have to pay the line with notes/check or pay the interest or risk legal action. Now, there is nothing illegal about discriminating against a person because they are a coin collector. if it's costing them too much money to deal with you, they can refuse to serve you or charge you a fee. While it may not be good business policy, it's not illegal. (it may be against an internal policy and if FCIC insured, there may be some policies that prevent such conduct, I just don't know). So, my advice, file a complaint, close your accounts and find a different bank.
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 Posted 02/19/2013  12:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The banks don't see much profit in it for themselves, in the activities of roll searchers.

It seems that U.S. retail banks are becoming just as commercially cynical as their Australian counterparts have been for decades. If they can find a way to invent a fee for any service to their customer base, they will.

The Australian retail banks' attitude to their customers, when it comes to roll searchers:
'Shut up and put up or leave, if you don't like it!' Usually, they won't have anything to do with roll searchers, no profit in it for them.
The four major banks in Australia made a profit of $16 billion last year. That's a NETT profit after ALL costs, of over $1,500 per average customer.
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 Posted 02/19/2013  03:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Owassokie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
No buying and depositing back.

This isn't a matter of the bank charging a fee...I understand fees. This is a fee exclusive to me because of my hobby. I've been told exactly that. This is a bank that is charging me to buy coin despite the fact they pay someone else to come pick up all their extra coinage. I've been told exactly that. There's more to the story but that isn't the point. As stated, everyone is welcome to their opinion of right or wrong but in this case, it would be an uneducated (and unwanted) opinion because you don't know the entire story.

My intent isn't for this to turn in to a right vs wrong, profit vs costumer service issue. I have specific questions and I appreciate those that have provided useful info. Fade, I'm going to look into that form. It looks promising.

Thanks,

OO
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 Posted 02/19/2013  07:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hybes to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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No buying and depositing back.


If you are doing what it sounds like, you are breaking the #2 rule. If that's the case I gotta side with the bank here.

YOU DO NOT DUMP AT YOUR BUY BANK

What's the #1 rule about CRH? You don't talk about CRH.
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