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1896-O Morgan And 1934 D Peace Grades

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Hi all,


I am relatively new to collecting, I was wondering what you guys thought the possible grades for this two coins would be?

I have a hard time looking at the pcgs photograde pcitures and comparing them and determining a possible grade.

Thanks in advance.

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Based on your pictures, I am going to guess AU 50 on the Morgan and VF 30 on the Peace dollar. I really like the Morgan - it has a nice look to it.

I think this looks pretty comparable to your Morgan, but I can't tell for sure based on your pictures.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1893-O-Morg...em53f54cc18b
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Au-55 on the 1896-O, VF-30 on the 34-D Peace dollar.
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Thanks for the help! I appreciate it! I attached some more photos as I noticed that the original ones werent very good.




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That's a great 96-O. They get scarce in the higher grades.
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Thanks! I still am having a hard time figuring out what to look for in order to make a good judgment on the coin. You guys said Au 50. What do you look for?
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Nice morgan Ms 63 and vf35
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I'm not sure if that 96-O would come back MS. The TPG's are pretty critical on these. I do think it's close enough to give it a shot though.
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The Peace dollar could grade VF-35/EF-40. Based on the larger pictures provided, I think the morgan may grade AU-58. I see a little bit of friction on the cheek but not much in the fields that I often see on AU-55 coins. The luster appears to be nearly full and the lack of detail in the hair above the ear, I think is strike related. Both are very attractive coins!
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AU55 on the Morgan
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Thanks guys, I was wondering if anyone could tell how I would know a weak strike and how that plays into the price.


http://coins.ha.com/c/item.zx?inven...079489#Photo
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The term weak when applied to the description of a 1878 double tail feathers coin is not the strike quality but rather a description of the remnants of the original 8 tail feather detail under the newly applied 7 tail feather die impression. The VAM descriptions are now labeled by the number of feathers showing from the original 8 tail feathers rather than weak and strong. I'm really surprised PCGS used this term on a relatively new holder. Maybe the person who submitted the coin did not request the VAM number on the label.
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Maybe the person who submitted the coin did not request the VAM number on the label.


Understandable, considering PCGS gets $24 to attribute what few they actually *do* verify, when NGC only gets $12 and ANACS even less.
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A weak strike on a Morgan will not be labeled as such on the holder of a top tier TPG (usually, I could be proven wrong). A weak strike occurs when the planchet is not quite thick enough, or it's fine, but the pressure of the hammer die isn't full, the coin is out of collar slightly, in fact a lot of things can cause a weak strike.

Things to look for are weak to little details in and around the center of the coin, the ear and hair of Liberty on the obverse, the breast of the Eagle on the reverse. Details become very mushy and don't have that "sharp struck" look. Some dates and mint marks are known for notoriously weak strikes, the 1896-O was one of them.

Another issue is not only how the graders at a TPG will interpert that but also market value. I would not asign a weak strike dollar any higher then MS64 EVER! When at MS65 and higher, I believe the strike quality comes into play for a grade. Some TPG's might feel otherwise. A weak stike should always affect the value and pricing of the coin as well, where as a weaker strike will equal a weaker bid or final price, IMO.
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