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1901 Indian Head Cent

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 Posted 02/28/2013  5:21 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Mr Coin Man to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Looking for opinions regarding three factors ...

1. Grade in general?
2. Red, Red/Brown, Brown?
3. Double Die? (note "O" and "N" in ONE, as well as "E" in CENTS

Much appreciated


1901-Indian-Head-Cent

1901-Indian-Head-Cent

1901-Indian-Head-Cent

1901-Indian-Head-Cent
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 Posted 02/28/2013  5:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jaobler to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like strong AU detail but the obverse color is messed up. The coin may have been dipped or otherwise processed long ago, perhaps to simulate original red luster. It has since toned unevenly and has some spots of verdigris. The reverse seems to have escaped the problem and looks much more natural, with light wear visible on the shield, ribbon, and some leaf high points.

The grading terms Red, Red-Brown, and Brown are applied to uncirculated coppers and so would not apply for this lightly-worn coin, even if it did not have the color issue.

The doubled outline for some letters is a common phenomenon for Indian cents, usually called Longacre doubling or outline doubling. It is not from a doubled die and does not add any extra value.
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 Posted 02/28/2013  7:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add supgog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
with AU details.
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I agree with everything that Jaobler mentioned. The reverse is quite nice, but unfortunately the obverse definitely has some problems and is not very attractive.

As an AU coin it will not receive an color designation, but if it had been a problem free MS coin it would be a brown.
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 Posted 02/28/2013  7:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DavidZerbato to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
AU Details, dramatic stains and discoloration. Looks like something got on the obverse and stayed there for many years. Clearly brown, no red there. Too bad, would have been a nice coin.
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By Looking at the diamonds I would say AU50 details although according to the PCGS photograde it is AU53 details I think. I am judging this by the one weaker diamond.
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Low AU details.
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EF45 to AU50 details grade, looks almost exactly like an IHC I treated with an open flame from a butane torch! (Only as an experiment never to resale). I got the bubbly corroded look and fantastic - though weird looking, very vivid colors. I'll have to see if I can dig it out and photograph it.
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 Posted 02/28/2013  11:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add buddy16cat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I was thinking higher EF details at first glance too. Look at the bottom diamond. Is that complete?
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Thank you everyone for the interesting observations. Given the coin in question derives from my grandfather's collection/hoard that has not seen the light of day in 40+ years, it is anyone's guess as to the unusual nature of the obverse. It is my personal opinion that he possessed neither the means nor inclination to modify in a subjective manner.
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Improper storage in a moist environment is my guess.
I agree with AU Details/damaged surfaces.
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Did anyone notice the AU53 looks like it should be in the AU50 spot at the PCGS photograde spot? After looking again I guess I would say AU50 details because of the incomplete last diamond. It is mostly there though. The AU50 coin has a partially worn diamond (well AU53 on the PCGS site).
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