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I am so weak! I purchased a 1883-CC MS64PL earlier this week, and then I just bought this "Crescent Moon Toned" 1883-CC GSA. After looking at the images (no coin in hand yet) I went to numismedia to see if there were any noteworthy VAMs (PCGS recognizes so few) and there are listings (at a premium) for VAM 4 & 5. VAM-4 has possibilities, there are indicators on the obverse (die cracks (above UNUM), date, and first two stars on the right side) and the mint mark looks very similar as well. VAM-5 is not even close Just wanted to see what the CCF thought.  (sellers cropped images)   Points of interest; the date (second 8 has a dash below and the 3 has and area above, and the two stars on the right of the date has some distinguishing marks on the lower right areas)   Point of interest: the first "C" in "CC" has something (diagonal line?) within the letter http://www.vamworld.com/1883-CC+VAM-4Edited by oih82w8
02/24/2013 3:24 pm
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New to VAMs (but am teetering on getting hooked) so here goes: 1) Not sure about the 1 and first 8 but I believe I see the doubling on the second 8. 2) I do see a diagonal line in the first C but in their example the second C looks different from yours (does that happen often?). 3) That does look like the N clash in their picture. The rest is lost on me. Verdict? Wait for someone more knowledgeable than I! Beautiful coin oih82w2. I am usually not a fan of crescent toning but this one I like  . |
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Nice toning.
I like VAM-4 for this one. The mint mark seems a little funny - it appears to have a "drop" to it which doesn't seem to appear in the listing - but the peculiar orientation of the date is good, and the die cracks through UNUM are pretty much diagnostic as is the crud around the two stars.
Unfortunately, PCGS doesn't attribute any 1883-CC's.
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The toning is what grabbed me first on my GSA search. There is another similar toned (toning does not reach out as far) CC out there now, but the asking price is too much for me. ( 1882 CC Silver Morgan dollar PCGS MS 64 GSA Hoard VAM 2B Rim Toning Hit List) Sad that PCGS does not expand on some of the VAM's that do bring significant value. I believe that NGC does attribute VAM-4, but they may frown on the coin being removed from it's GSA holder when PCGS got a a hold of it.  Now, which one to keep; the one in this thread or a MS64PL that I purchased earlier?   Edited by oih82w8
02/25/2013 10:17 am
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I honestly think that the toning and the cachet of the GSA slab define the coin's value far better than the VAM. |
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I really know almost nothing about VAMS and in the coin circles I travel in they aren't talked about much, don't know why. That being said I have friends that absolutely hate toned coins, they like pure blasted whites. I personally would rather have a toned coin any day especially a toned Morgan. Its funny you bought 2 83 cc last recently as I did the same thing. I probably need to sell one but I'm def keeping the colored one.   Great coins brother, hit me up again if you ever got anything you want to sell. |
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Maybe I need to get a hold of the guy who puts these on his GSA's an see if there are some extras;   Edited by oih82w8
02/24/2013 11:14 pm
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As soon as this one rolls in, I will take a Microscope image of the "CC". Nice "CC"'s TBK! I am kinda partial to your toned version as well! Edited by oih82w8
02/26/2013 09:11 am
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I would, in this case keep the first one(the PL). I love the toning on the other one, but if it is a 64 then your 1st one should be higher. Granted your pics of the prooflike are not as large, but it appears to have less chatter AND the toned one has that big ding on the eagles belly. just my opinion, if you HAVE to get rid of one. Btw, it looks as if the first one is clashed, is there any letter transfer?
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If it were my choice I would keep the MS64PL coin. I'm kind of partial towards frosty devices and mirrored fields. The GSA note on the holder adds no additional value for me as most MS 1883 CC Morgans were part of the Gov release. And as already mentioned, the PL is the cleaner MS64 of the two.
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02/26/2013 10:26 am
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Thanks for the opinions! I will have to get them "in hand" and see where it goes from there.
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I believe that NGC does attribute VAM-4, but they may frown on the coin being removed from it's GSA holder when PCGS got a a hold of it. UPDATE: NGC returned my email stating that they do acknowledge the PCGS GSA attribution on crossovers, and VAM-4; " Yes, NGC will crossover PCGS GSA's. NGC does recognize the VAM 4 but if you are sending the crossover..." But, I am fixing to part ways with this coin already due to an upgrade! Yes, I am capricious!  Edited by oih82w8
02/28/2013 11:06 am
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I have a few lines in the water on selling this dollar, but the bigger majority are sceptical of the VAM-4, since PCGS does not recognize it...they don't either! Tough Crowd!
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since PCGS does not recognize it...they don't either! Tough Crowd! They're not VAMmers, then. They may think they are, but they're not. |
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I received the coins and the MS64PL has the same markers (crack over UNUM, the date doubling, the two right stars having some "extra stuff" around the bottom) as the Crescent Moon toned version, plus there is reverse clashing on both sides of the wreath including on the left side of the Liberty's Nose and Lips.
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03/03/2013 10:58 pm
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Dang, forgot to take some close-ups on the 1883-CC MS64PL areas of interest...new thread coming up on this coin.
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03/07/2013 08:59 am
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