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New Member
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Hey
I'm a Swedish coin rookie that just got my hands on two 1928 Peace dollars on the Swedish version of ebay, Tradera.
However now that I have received them I noticed some irregularities especially on the L in dollar. If it was just one coin I would be suspicious but both have almost the same deficiency's. The coins diameter is correct and the weight seems correct too. Only have a simple scale that measures to the nearest gram though. All help will be greatly appreciated    Edited by Draepnir
02/26/2013 07:56 am
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Can you post pics of the obv.? Have you tried a magnet test?
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New Member
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Tested with a Neodymium magnet without any noticeable magnetism from the coin. Updated the first post with with both pictures
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Sweden
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Hej Sverige.
what's the seller's name? I hang out there alot too, and sadly, the US coin section is getting swamped with fraudlent sellers.
I remember seeing those in auction, but never bid on them due to their lack of feedback. If those were the coins you bought, that is...
Or if you post the link to the auction...
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Pillar of the Community
Sweden
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Yepp, that's the one I was thinking about. Had him and, among others, samooli, who left feedback, under a watchful eye. got samooli suspended...twice, with different user names. He (samooli) sold 2 1895-Ps within a week, using pictres from the internet...
So he's kind of mad. And I think he's at it again under another name, but already reported, which is easy since I personally bought a coin which he is trying to sell.
So that's why I didn't bid on that auction, hamid_teh's involvement with two other sellers.
But I hope for your sake they're real.
But I never buy from rookie sellers again
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 What do you mean by "the weight seems correct?" Did you weigh it or are you guessing? Weigh it out of the flip. Then photograph the areas in question outside of the flip. If your coins came from the same dies they would have the same defects. I checked VAM World and there are only 3 die variations listed for the 1928P. None had a match to your coins. Maybe SsuperDdave can add some valuable information. Try to find some know fakes on Google or Google Images and see if those patterns match yours. |
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I really don't collect Peace dollars so I'll only say the areas you have circled look suspicious. I will say however, the Morgans he has for sale look completely "wrong". |
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I have weighed them on a scale that only shows grams, not 0.1 gram. So it's not very accurate.
Updated first post with coins without the flip.
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Pillar of the Community
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The edgeof the eagle's right wing looks really odd... also, identical marks by the "T" in liberty..If genuine, I bet that would have made it a VAMsadly, it doesn't look good for you... Edited by epikur
02/26/2013 08:12 am
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Bedrock of the Community
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with those marks at the T I am leaning towards them both being made by the same process/die. Chances of one person getting two coins with the exact same marks is pretty slim unless its some type of identifiable mark for a specific VAM. I do not know enough about Peace dollars to really know the VAM's and the design has always looked weird to me so even if I were to see a fake one I am not sure I would be able to tell, especially when they look this close to an original. The pitting/bubbles around the head band rays looks suspicious to me as well. The parts that match on both coins that I can see right off the bat is the head band rays, the marks at the T in LIBERTY, and the mark at the lower part of the eagles wing. Those places look exactly alike and that to me is enough to at least throw some reed flags up especially if I could not go to VamWorld and match these markings up with a known VAM because for someone to have two exactly alike usually means they are making them themselves |
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New Member
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Many thanks for all the help epikur. Will contact him right away.
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I believe we're looking at brass counterfeits. Look at the deep ding on Liberty #1's cheekbone near her hairline, and the ding by the IN on Liberty #2: Yellow metal. Usually brass fakes are within Weight Tolerance. A diamagnetic test, however, will give them away easily without harming the coin. Besides that, aye as you noticed about the L in DOLLAR and Bryan noted about the T in LIBERTY, those dings give them away as being struck from the same die. My conclusion: Fakes. Good fakes. But fakes. Edited by SteveCaruso
02/26/2013 09:40 am
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Thanks SteveCaruso. Both coins failed the diamagnetic test, thanks for informing me about that method, built a crude version that did the job.
Hopefully someone will benefit from my mistake and maybe recognize the coin.
Well then off to try and get my money back.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Mushy details, and field marks in between L of Dollar. Both appear to be fakes.
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