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plonker Valued Member United States 462 Posts	Posted 03/17/2013 11:11 pm Hope I can get some feedback from the experts of authenticity of the below coin up for auction , http://www.ebay.com/itm/Germany-Fra...em3a7f570a81 There is another here http://www.ebay.com/itm/1863-Frankf...151010729661 Thanks in advance Report this Post to the Staff

wonghinghi Pillar of the Community Hong Kong 1270 Posts	Posted 03/18/2013 01:46 am Both are real to me. You can see the first coin with part of the edge, it looks quite good. No fussy from the second one and its seller. Report this Post to the Staff
Bacchus2 Pillar of the Community United Kingdom 2887 Posts	Posted 03/18/2013 02:53 am Both look fine to me. The first one is somewhat dirty and/or toned (Nowhere near EF in UK grading). It's probably the worst one condition one I've seen. I'm normally not that particular about grade (I prefer EF to UNC) but I'd pass on this one because you really need a clean example to see the detail. The second one is much nicer, this seller sells a lot of these type of coins - though he seems to be very popular and he gets good prices so this one will probably go for near it's full value (about £140). My Papal States coin collection: https://diadumenian.com/Papal%20Sta...0States.html Medieval coins collection: https://diadumenian.com/Congressofp...0Europe.html Indian Rupee Collection: https://diadumenian.com/Congressofp...0Rupees.html Minor world Silver: https://diadumenian.com/Congressofp...20coins.html Report this Post to the Staff
plonker Valued Member United States 462 Posts	Posted 03/18/2013 8:37 pm Thank you both. The better coin ended up at $405 :) Report this Post to the Staff
swamperbob Pillar of the Community United States 5362 Posts	Posted 03/18/2013 9:27 pm That particular variety has been terminated on ebay at least 3 times recently because they were fakes. In this case, they look better but I have not done a detailed cross check. Filip Stakov (coiworldtv) sold me a VERY well executed counterfeit of a MTT some time ago. He said he didn't know it was a fake. His material has definitely improved in recent years but he gets top dollar as well. The counterfeit of the 1863 Frankfurt coin is very well done. I have bid on several but they always sell for more than I want to pay. Report this Post to the Staff
plonker Valued Member United States 462 Posts	Posted 03/18/2013 10:01 pm Hi Swamperbib , thank you for the details. Obvious question is do you recommend any seller from your experience dealing with ebay ? Report this Post to the Staff
swamperbob Pillar of the Community United States 5362 Posts	Posted 03/18/2013 10:54 pm Stankov is usually OK I trust his coins far more than most ebay sellers. The following guys know counterfeits so if they post one it is an anomaly. I have never had a problem and they are all honest. They are on ebay. I hope I get their names right. I don't usually like to do this because I do not keep a great list of people that sell good coins. I know I have missed many good guys. I have a much longer list of people who sell fakes. I have as of the first of the year purchased at least one fake from over 1,400 different individual sellers. Over 1000 of those are from ebay. Best source in the world for counterfeits. My top seller on ebay has sold me 584 counterfeit Mexican coins alone as of January 1. But the list below are folks I would trust not to ever knowingly sell a fake. There are some more but I have dealt with each of these for years some far longer than ebay has been around. Don Erickson from NYC (dnecoins) good with world my co-authors Gord Nichols (tokeng) and John Lorenzo (johnmenc) - you know no fakes unless noted from these two Jeff Zarit from Texas (jeffone) good with world Anthony Torra from Mass (atcoins) good with world asyn from Canada - stay in more recent dates to be safe. Ben Bell (civitasgalleries) ancients mostly no fakes ernie Botte Mass (ernie) mostly US but No counterfeits Bill Hussey (flacoin) world 99.9% - fakes are rare only very uncommon types that are deceptive - very trustworthy Roberto del Bosque (numismatica_mty) no fakes high quality Mexican coins and varieties Rod Zabrezenik (rdzcoins) pretty good with fakes but will refund - he tries hard and is honest. Report this Post to the Staff
Bacchus2 Pillar of the Community United Kingdom 2887 Posts	Posted 03/19/2013 04:27 am WOW - That's double what you can normally pick these up for. Even on MA shops there are some for €175 so someone is paying way over the odds. There are a few other very good sellers I'd recommend for not knowingly selling fakes. Forvmancientcoins (ancients) numismatiklanz (European silver mostly) kuenker-muenchen (European silver mostly) raman-coins (Indian) theringmaster2311 (English) My Papal States coin collection: https://diadumenian.com/Papal%20Sta...0States.html Medieval coins collection: https://diadumenian.com/Congressofp...0Europe.html Indian Rupee Collection: https://diadumenian.com/Congressofp...0Rupees.html Minor world Silver: https://diadumenian.com/Congressofp...20coins.html Report this Post to the Staff
Bacchus2 Pillar of the Community United Kingdom 2887 Posts	Posted 04/25/2013 03:12 am Another very fake looking fake http://www.ebay.com/itm/1850-B-Wilh...em19dba09d6f While selling "reproductions" is not against ebay Germany rules (I think) this one is not labelled as such. Reported anyway. My Papal States coin collection: https://diadumenian.com/Papal%20Sta...0States.html Medieval coins collection: https://diadumenian.com/Congressofp...0Europe.html Indian Rupee Collection: https://diadumenian.com/Congressofp...0Rupees.html Minor world Silver: https://diadumenian.com/Congressofp...20coins.html Report this Post to the Staff
wonghinghi Pillar of the Community Hong Kong 1270 Posts	Posted 04/25/2013 07:04 am "Very fake looking fake" means not a good fake. I don't worry about this. It is not a silver-struck specimen to me. Report this Post to the Staff
Bacchus2 Pillar of the Community United Kingdom 2887 Posts	Posted 04/25/2013 10:28 am No, it's not a fake that would fool experienced people but those new to the hobby might be duped. My Papal States coin collection: https://diadumenian.com/Papal%20Sta...0States.html Medieval coins collection: https://diadumenian.com/Congressofp...0Europe.html Indian Rupee Collection: https://diadumenian.com/Congressofp...0Rupees.html Minor world Silver: https://diadumenian.com/Congressofp...20coins.html Report this Post to the Staff
plonker Valued Member United States 462 Posts	Posted 04/26/2013 07:46 am I have bought a fake 2 Thalers some times back which is mentioned in a different thread. After that I always ask for the weight and the edge inscriptions from the seller before I buy. I will not buy from who do not respond. In the way I was able to few good coins from sellers who's main area of selling is not coins and with low feedback. Report this Post to the Staff
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