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 Posted 03/31/2013  09:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Apex Safes to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Celticknot,

No problems with power strips but make sure it's not a cheap one. Many safes have a wiring hole already, others need to be drilled. You may be able to drill it yourself but stronger safes may require someone trained. Do it very low or high on the back of the safe to obscure direct viewing access to the locking mechanism. This is a UL spec for rated safes but just smart in general.

The government uses COMSEC safes which are properly vented to run computers & HD's without over heating. With a small HD it might be ok but put a digital thermometer inside to test it. Maybe a small box fan as well? Back it all up on another just in case.

Micah Welch, CMS,CPS, CS&VT
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 Posted 03/31/2013  9:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add FinanceGuru to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Let's take an example: http://www.amazon.com/SentrySafe-SF...eywords=safe

Is this a good safe to protect against burglary?
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 Posted 03/31/2013  9:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add FinanceGuru to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
One other question: Are Electronic locks easier to break into?
http://www.amazon.com/Electronic-Di...eywords=safe
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 Posted 03/31/2013  11:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Apex Safes to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Financeguru,

Absolutely not. Sentry is one of the worst choices for coins & valuables unless you're storing it inside another stronger safe for better protection. They make an excellent fire safe but put a hatchet in the right place and its open. YouTube Sentry Safe and half the results are people breaking into them.

Your second safe is also very low security. A 56#, 11 gauge steel box is no match for a 10# sledge hammer. The override keys included are low security keyways and anyone with basic picking skill can open it in less than a minute. That model will likely bounce open if it dropped just right. Reference my earlier post regarding UL approved locks.

Micah Welch, CMS,CPS,CS&VT
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 Posted 04/01/2013  12:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Normic67 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Am I still able to store coins in a safe even if its fireproof? just wondering because apparently the fireproof ones produce moisture which in that case would damage the coins. Oh ya and the moisture is only supposed to protect bills or documents?
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 Posted 04/01/2013  12:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nalaberong to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wasn't there some advice in this thread about storing things in waterproof containers in the safe in case of submersion? I don't know how fireproof safes actually work, though.
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 Posted 04/01/2013  12:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add matthewvincent to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Apex,
I started this thread with a simple question and you gave me a thorough answer.
I have just real all of the posts and see a consistency in your answers:
timely, informative and as complete as possible.
I just wanted to add my "thanks" for providing a service which, judging from the response,
helps A LOT of members.
Please keep up the great work as best as you can.

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 Posted 04/01/2013  05:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kg5 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Kaos abounds and my collectible area takes up 2 rooms.

We have the best, top shelf safe in the world!


Have just done a stock take and halved it for a Bank visit and it is frightens me how much money is tied up in stock but it is selling very well.

Good luck trying to find where the expensive stuff in our home as it is all in one huge looking mess. If I was forced to hand over the goods how would they know what I had given them?

In the past 2 years we have had the front door kick in 3 times by drug addicts but the door is as far as they got.It sure is one beat up door but I like it a lot. To me it is a collectors piece in itself.

The word is in our community that we are not an easy targets anymore. Our real problem was an information leak from our chemist about my medication. As one very smashed up person screamed at me to stop his problem that was coming from me.
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 Posted 04/01/2013  09:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add noahs-numismatics to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@Apex Safes can you recommend a safe in that ballpark for pricing and size, as I'm thinking of getting one, I just don't want it to be as expensive as the coins going in it.
Thanks!
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 Posted 04/01/2013  10:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add noahs-numismatics to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Also, what are your opinions on the brand "First Alert"?
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 Posted 04/01/2013  10:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Apex Safes to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Normic67,

Not every fire safe uses the moisture-release method. Using a dedicated fire safe for protecting valuables is not a good idea in general. If moisture is released it will protect the bills from burning but it may change the condition in some way and alter the value. Can't say 100%. It's better than no safe at all but just be aware the safe was designed for another purpose.

If you want burglary & fire protection, sell the fire safe on Craigslist and put the money towards a composite burglary safe which won't release moisture. Verify the materials used are a high density concrete or similar and not heat activate. Some safes incorporate aluminum or copper which helps diffuse heat in a torch attack but also help in keeping the inside temperate below 350F for 1-2 hours. I would suggest a media / data briefcase or legal file safe which you can keep inside the fire safe, if you have the room. A data safe will keep the temperature below 150F and when placed inside a larger safe I'm sure it wouldn't be anywhere near that.

Micah Welch, CMS, CPS, CS&VT
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 Posted 04/01/2013  10:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Apex Safes to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
MatthewV

You're certainly welcome. It's more important to me the educate the customer so they purchase the correct safe for their needs than selling a safe that simply fits a budget. I've seen dozens upon dozens of family heirlooms and collections destroyed by fire or stolen because someone chose the wrong safe. Happy to help.

Micah Welch, CMS,CPS, CS&VT
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 Posted 04/01/2013  10:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Apex Safes to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Noah

That's a very broad question for which I need more information. Think of a safe like a pair of shoes and ask the same question. One person might need cross trainers whereas another might need steel toes. It depends on the value of your contents, the security of your home or business, etc. a safe is insurance. You cannot expect a $1000 safe to protect $100k or more in valuables. If you have $40k-$100k+ in a collection, isn't spending $2500-$5000 to make sure it doesn't disappear a good idea?

First Alert safes are in the same category as Sentry safes. See my previous post about them and another post for a guideline based on dollar amounts. More thorough information is available on my site or I would be happy to give a private consultation.

Micah Welch, CMS, CPS, CS&VT
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04/01/2013 10:50 am
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 Posted 04/01/2013  11:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add noahs-numismatics to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Okay, thanks!
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 Posted 04/01/2013  12:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Normic67 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you very much!. That's a good idea too.
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