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What Causes This Striping On Pennies?

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 Posted 05/03/2007  09:39 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Kerrys Girl to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi,
I've come across several Pennies with these stripes across them, can anyone tell me what this is from? I didn't really give it much thought when I first saw it, them I saw it again and again and now it's driving me mad?
thanks

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 Posted 05/03/2007  09:46 am  Show Profile   Check GO's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GO to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have one similar to that and I'm curious too. I always thought it just run over by a car.
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 Posted 05/03/2007  10:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Benji to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
These striations/strata are "mottle effects" from an improper or inadequate mixing of copper, tin, and/or zinc when smelting and planchet production takes place(as with my Indian below). However, I am uncertain of the exact composition of your Aussie Penny, but I would bet it is also made from copper and tin or zinc. I really dig these examples and I hope this answers you question. I could elaborate further if you wish.


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 Posted 05/03/2007  10:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Streakiness like that seems to be common on Australian pennies, particularly those struck at the Perth Mint. It's apparently caused by a poorly-mixed alloy being used to make the coins, with blobs of different composition, "like choc-chips in a cookie". When the metal ingot is rolled prior to the blanks being punched out, the blobs are stretched out into a pattern like that. When the coin was shiny and new, you probably couldn't see it, but over time the parts with different composition have oxidized at different rates.

Edit: Benji beat me to it. Must... type... faster...
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 Posted 05/03/2007  10:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Benji to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Sap for the elaboration...well stated. This brings up another question. Has anyone ever witnessed this phenomenon in modern Cu coinage? Copper is not my cup of tea, but I can't ever remember encountering a modern with mottling. Perhaps current minting methods and QC prevents this from occurring and/or they are pulled before leaving the Mint.
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Well I've noticed this in a lot of coins, I think a lot of them were British. So it's poorly mixed metals in a bronze alloy huh?
Is it me, or is it just an extremely common thing...
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 Posted 05/04/2007  10:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I can think of three possible reasons why you wouldn't see the effect as often in modern copper coinage:

- better quality control, as Benji said.

- they're not as old, so the different oxidation rates haven't had time to mature yet. Let 'em ripen for another decade or two and the streaks will appear.

- don't forget that much modern "copper" coinage is merely copper-plated; if the copper plating is normally electrically applied, this should create a smooth even film of metal, without clumps of inconsistency on the surface.
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 Posted 05/04/2007  11:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kerrys Girl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks everyone for your replies, I have just come across another one which I was actually quite impressed with, what do you think?

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 Posted 05/25/2007  8:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bluesfil to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
people commonly refer to these as lamination flaws.
There can be two types of parallel lines of different colour on copper coinage - the one mentioned above by Sap and Benji, and another where the surface layer has 'peeled' and the exposed surface has become toned on exposure to the air i.e the blackness observed on that halfpenny. The peeling effect can be caused by carbon powder not being correctly absorbed into the alloy mix and then being spread in a thin layer under the surface when the sheets are rolled prior to the planchets being punched out. The carbon absorbs moisture, expands and lifts thin layers from the surface of the coin which then turn a different colour.They are generally in parallel areas across the coin because the rolling of the sheets spreads the carbon
The most spectacular of the streaky planchets occurs where you get 'blond' or white sections on the coins where the alloy wasn't mixed correctly.
I will dig a few coins out to illustrate
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 Posted 05/28/2007  03:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Snooba to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Bluesfil - Thanks for that information! It's nice to see you here on the CC Forum!



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 Posted 05/28/2007  09:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bluesfil to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is a 1941 Australian penny and is a good example of the alloy not mixing correctly. The surface of the coin is smooth - ie no lamination flaws.
The light coloured areas are not the result of cleaning or damage, its the actual coin colouring as scanned
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from coppercoins's book -pertaining to 1909 Lincolns. Many of the cent of this era show odd stripping that often effects the entire planchet. These anomolies are often called "wood grain look" These were caused by the impurities in the alloy mixture used to makethe planchets.
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