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Is Cleaning Coins Ever Acceptable?

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The two oldest coins in my collection are from the 1880s. They're British Half-Pennies. The detail on both coins is remarkably good but both coins are extremely tarnished so as to appear almost black to the eye.

Is there a way of cleaning them without wrecking the detail or diminishing their (admittedly low) value?

Can I get some general thoughts on cleaning? Books I've read seem to give mixed messages.
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I would try to conserve your coins with Virdi-care. Use with a Q-tip sparingly. Be sure to rinse with distiller water and pat dry with a very soft cotton towel. Just a suggestion and I don't know if Virdi-care is available in the UK.
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 Posted 03/30/2013  06:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Almost all ancient coins need cleaning after discovery.

I usually clean MS gold coins before putting into a mylar / cardboard 2x2.
It helps remove greasy marks and impoves the cartwhweel lustre.

Method: Wash my hands with soap and water to clean them, and to soften the skin on my hands.
Rub a tiny bit of soap off the bar with my fingers and gently wipe them over the surface of the coin.
Rinse well, and gently pat dry. Allow to dry out completely, then put in 2x2.

I do the same thing with MS silver coins, but I leave ANY other coin well alone.
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If all its got on it is "tarnish" - we coin collectors prefer to call it "toning" or "patina" - then leave it alone. Cleaning it will only make it look worse. There are circumstances where cleaning a coin becomes necessary; dark toning is not one of them. If a coin is "too dark to see", then turn on some more lights, or go outside on a sunny day.

Coins dug up out of the ground, whether ancient or more modern, usually need cleaning. How harsh depends on what the coin is made of.

Coins with active corrosion spots need to have the corrosion neutralized to prevent further damage. "Bronze disease", "aluminium cancer" and "zinc rot" are all good examples of dangerously contagious corrosion that must be cleaned off before it turns your whole coin into a powdery mess.

Coins with some foreign matter stuck to the surface, such as paint, glue, varnish, wax, old stickytape residue, or the green slime that accumulates on coins stored in cheap plastic coin albums, can have this foreign matter washed off with whatever solvent is effective - water, methylated spirits, acetone or xylene can all be effective (depending on the nature of the adhered matter) and will not harm either the raw metal surface nor the patina/toning/tarnish on the coin.

Nobody can stop an old soldier from polishing up their medals, so we've given up trying. War medals can be polished until they glow in the dark, without affecting their value.
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Very well, I'll leave the coins alone then.

Are you guys metal detectors? When you talk about digging coins up it sounds like you're metal detectors. What's your average rate of success with that? Do you comb beaches? Fields?
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Hi Demarco Bishopp.

Digging up old coins from under the ground by metal detectors in Australia would be very uncommon.

But looking for 2kg Gold Nuggets under the ground by metal detectors is far more common in comparison to finding coins.

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There are some detectorists here on the forum. I personally have never tried it; being in Australia, a detectorist here is unlikely to find much of anything older than the 1900s. I'm also not physically fit enough to lug one of those big things around for long enough to be likely to find anything.

But we do have a metal detecting subforum, where you can probably find answers to all your questions about this aspect of the hobby.
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Bronze and copper can't really be cleaned without changing the appearance and removing any original colour or lustre. Whereas silver will retone in time if cleaned carefully, copper and brass will always show it's been cleaned.

That said, if you're talking about low value and want to see detail better, then soaking in olive oil (can take months!) provides a reasonably minimal damage way to get rid of crud from coins.

If the toning is uniform and the detail good however, I'd be inclined to leave them alone.
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Are you guys metal detectors? When you talk about digging coins up it sounds like you're metal detectors. What's your average rate of success with that? Do you comb beaches? Fields?
Im one of those guys in the states. I hunt the hunted out spots like parks and fairgrounds. I do quite well, over 200 silvers in the last four years, silver dollars, halves, quarters, rings, and dozens of coins from the 1800's (considered old here). I also do light research and hunt private property. Hooked for life.
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As already stated cleaning is never a good thing. Remember that in most instances, what you see on the coin that appears as dirt is actually the results of a chemical reaction with the invironment. This means that some of the metal of a coin has reacted with something. Removing that STUFF would also remove part of the coins original metal.
If it was just dirt, distilled water or possibly some Acetone would help but otherwise, best leave alone.
And remember that you should never use soap and water on a coin. ALL soaps are manufactured differently and what is in them could do more damage than good. And also with water there are so many possible contaminates, that too could do some damage. Usually the best thing to do is put old coins in something to protect them from any further corrosion, tarnishing, staining, toning, etc.
So basically it is not a good idea to clean coins.
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Almost all old dug coins must be cleaned to an extent. I have dug many corroded Indian cents that were unrecognizable until heavily cleaned. Many are terrible looking and have been saved and made presentable through heavy cleaning. Some of my detecting friends first soak coppers in hot peroxide, which really darkens a nice coin to the point that no details are visable. Then, an olive oil soak, that substance being acidic, further detroys the coin.
With silver, I now do not try to remove any dirt until I have access to running water. I then pat coin dry. With dirty coppers, now only a mineral oil soaking for sometimes months.
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@kg5: Quite often, gold nuggets are acid washed to clean them. It helps to brighten them up, and to get closer to a nett gold weight.

I have seen one or two gold coins that have suffered from burial in a rusty tin can. A complex ferro gold salt can be formed over 100 years or more of burial, especially so if there is a 10% copper alloy in the gold composition. I have seen a result that looks similar to a verdigris scar.
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It really depends on your purpose. If you are trying to alter the coin to make it look like something it isn't or remove toning I wouldn't do anything. If you are removing something that can be harmful to the coin or improve it by removing something on the coin non-coin related it would be more of a conservation effort. I soak coins in acetone, distilled water, or Verdi-care quite often. Soaking in these substances can improve a coin and cause any future damage to it.
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Okay, it's pretty easy to ignore advice about cleaning when you're dead set on shining something up - I've done it myself. But listen to this! You can have some fun cleaning if you dig coins or are experimenting with worn/dateless items.

When I started out, I polished a few coppers in vinegar for kicks. None of them turned out well, they got a horrible salmon colour. Different acids and additives continually failed to produce a nice, shiny surface on any of them, and even if it did work, a shiny surface will never match a worn coin. I found a few cleaned and worn silver Canadian quarters for below spot - they were worn to silhouettes and yet they were bright white. But I can totally get behind chemical use on valueless coins. If a date's worn off, put it in something caustic (okay, fine, know what you're soaking it in first) and see if it becomes revealed. I have a horrible and holed large American cent (how else could I afford one of those :P), and I soaked it in 25% acetic acid (basically 5x vinegar, available at the sort of shops that encourage you to bring your own containers to refill and make your own dish soap) to try and reveal the worn-down date. With a good jeweler's loupe and lots of photoreference, it was revealed to be an 1828! I was pretty happy at that.

If you really want to clean something (I have this urge still, you just have to know what to indulge it on), find some cheap worn coins and see what you can reveal. Maybe you'll find a date rare enough to offset the value drop from cleaning!
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Cleaning videos? ... thanks for all of the tips
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