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1923 Half Penny NGC/ PCGS

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 Posted 03/30/2013  11:46 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add demerest to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
i just bought a 1923 half penny PCGS I hope its real.
I'm hearing stories that NGC and PCGS have made mistakes
they actually said it was real and slabbed the coin
i wonder how much coins they slabbed that were 1923 fake
NGC made a big, mistake in a auction house a couple of years ago.
this is a disgrace,if they can tell that they are fake
they should not be grading Australian coins
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 Posted 03/30/2013  3:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ksammut to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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 Posted 03/30/2013  5:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dcoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm not 100% sure but I believe if PCGS grade a coin which is fake as genuine then they will buy the coin back off you at market price.
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Stating the obvious but anyone who's been around coins for any length of time know that any 1923 half is a fake until proved genuine,there are just so many forgeries out there and some are nearly impossible to pick.Apparently the latest batch of Asian 1923 halves are starting to appear so be very wary of ebay coins.
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I'd like to see photo's before I make any comment, other than research - research - research when your buying a coin that is known to be a target of the Chinese.
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 Posted 03/30/2013  8:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add demerest to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
here is the coin

181106736655 ebay
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 Posted 03/30/2013  8:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MobOfRoos to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
i wonder how much coins they slabbed that were 1923 fake
ngc made a big, mistake in a auction house a couple of years ago.
this is a disgrace,if they can tell that they are fake
they should not be grading australian coins


There was a fake 1923 halfpenny slabbed by NGC at an auction just a month or so ago. It was a really bad fake too so who knows how that got through. I guess it does show that a slab is no guarantee.

My advice is to do your own homework before buying such a coin. Don't just blindly trust the slab.
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 Posted 03/31/2013  01:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinManTim to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hate to open another can of worm, but it's also been known that not only coins are faked, slabs are faked too. So just because it carries a NGC/PCGS label, doesn't mean it is, in the same way you see on the TV shows those fake Louis Voutton bags, then the big black lady goes, 'you calling my bag a fake'. Yes, I enjoy bad TV.
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I looked at your coin, demerest. If it's a fake, it's an extremely good one. Looks to have the obverse die cracks and no obvious faults. Nice pick up I'd say.
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 Posted 03/31/2013  02:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add enworb to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It looks genuine to me as well. Glad you finally found one mate.
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 Posted 03/31/2013  05:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add demerest to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
thanks for the help guys
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 Posted 03/31/2013  11:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If you have any doubts about it, and live in Sydney, take it to Jim Noble (Noble Numismatics) in Macquarie Street, or Dave Allan (I.S. Wright), in Castelreagh Street. I have been good friends with both of these guys for over 30 years.
THOSE guys would know.
Jim Noble has just been a member of the Australian Numismatic Society for more than 50 years, and has been past President on a number of occasions.

They have both been lot descriptors and authenticators at major auctions for all of their professional numismatic lives.
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No doubt in my mind,it is genuine.
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 Posted 04/03/2013  12:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nealeffendi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just a warning about the buy back guarentees offered by the slabbers. The "market price" that I have seen on a slabbers website (NGC if I recall correctly) for a number of non USA coins has not been updated this century. They currently have the same valuations that are in my 12 year old copy of Krause World Coins. So if they use their outdated valuation to compensate you for a wrongly slabbed coin you might get only 20-30% back on what you paid for a slabbed coin.
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 Posted 04/03/2013  12:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As everybody knows,
fake coins in fake slabs are not unheard of.
In any case, get a buy back guarantee only from a known professional seller at this price level.

Normally, coins at this price level appear at public auction, where there is a written guarantee, at least for a limited period.

If I wanted to sell a genuine coin like this one,
I wouldn't have it up on ebay. I would have it consigned to a public auction.
No one would know me, so they wouldn't be able trust my guarantee.

Much better to have fun selling coins on ebay in a lower price bracket.
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 Posted 07/10/2016  03:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bilbo87 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I just bought a PCGS XF40 1923 halfpenny off ebay. I am now terrified that it may be a fake? I was the only person to bid on it? What do you guys think? Have I just learnt a very expensive lesson on buying fake coins off ebay?

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1923-HAL...p=true&rt=nc

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