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raybutler Valued Member United States 96 Posts	Posted 04/02/2013 2:20 pm Hello, Everyone. I was wondering about this 1853 Rays/Arrows Quarter, while it has rainbow colors toward the center of the obverse, it also is very dark out to the edges and mostly dark on the reverse. Was it treated with heat or even legitimately in a fire? It appears to be VF, it not altered by AT or Environmental damage. What do you think? Thanks in advance Report this Post to the Staff

dsfreeworld Pillar of the Community United States 4337 Posts	Posted 04/02/2013 2:54 pm looks cooked to me but I am not sure by "accidental" fire Report this Post to the Staff
bpoc1 Rest in Peace United States 4078 Posts	Posted 04/02/2013 3:56 pm Raybutler, nice coin. The questions you asked are very valid. Is there a method of telling if a coin is NT ( Natural Toned) or AT ( Artificially Toned ) ? Hope my spelling is correct. This is a general question to all CCF. Thanks Dsfreeworld, looks "cooked" to me also. With hesitation on my part. Report this Post to the Staff
Normic67 Pillar of the Community 798 Posts	Posted 04/02/2013 5:54 pm It might be some kind of ink or paint. But then its toned so hmm. Report this Post to the Staff
dsfreeworld Pillar of the Community United States 4337 Posts	Posted 04/02/2013 6:31 pm Normic/Ray, that is in all likelihood a failed attempt at heat and oil and possibly a potato...could even be egg...My thought is everyone should google, CCF search and whatever means to read as much as you can about Artificial Toning. I also recommend buying a coin or two that has been AT so you know and have a real reference. Buy a graded artificially toned slab. You can find plenty of NGC that are sold on the bay. You can buy mid 20th century silver, dime or quarter, for relatively inexpensive prices. You can then crack them out and study them. Now in the future, the $50 you spent on a couple known problem coins allows you not to get so easily burned on the $500 coin even if at just the photo level online while browsing. Believe me, it works. You may also want to cook your own junk melt to learn. I have learned in this hobby that a collector can be their own worst enemy by not educating themselves. Keep trucking and have fun along the way Report this Post to the Staff
chesterb Pillar of the Community United States 1261 Posts	Posted 04/02/2013 8:48 pm I would have guessed this was a result of long-term storage, either in an album or tissue paper not artificial toning. Report this Post to the Staff
dsfreeworld Pillar of the Community United States 4337 Posts	Posted 04/02/2013 9:00 pm look even harder and you can make out the harsh cleaning scratches coming out of Liberty's leg into S12 and even go above that on the field parallel to S10 and S11 now, to me, its a great educational piece. I just kept a $187 purchase cost dime that after final review is without question an artificially toned coin and I could have sent it back due to a return policy but I have kept it. I will always use it as a reference to be a smarter collector and aspiring numismatist. Report this Post to the Staff
dave700x Rest in Peace United States 10625 Posts	Posted 04/02/2013 9:10 pm It looks like it spent many years in a coin folder or card. Report this Post to the Staff
upstate Pillar of the Community United States 3283 Posts	Posted 04/02/2013 9:15 pm I agree with chesterb that it is natural toning from long term storage. I have seen and have had discussions with knowledgable collector/dealers at a show about coins like this one, which is what I base my 'guess' on. But I wouldn't bet the farm on it.:) Report this Post to the Staff
52Raymo Pillar of the Community United States 8516 Posts	Posted 04/03/2013 09:59 am Folder/album coin. Oregon coin geek.....* GO BEAVS ! ! ! * Report this Post to the Staff
raybutler Valued Member United States 96 Posts	Posted 04/03/2013 11:21 am Thanks for all the help, If it is a folder or album coin is this considered environmental damage? If it was heated or stored incorrectly is this coin's value negatively affected much? Edited by raybutler 04/03/2013 11:26 am Report this Post to the Staff
upstate Pillar of the Community United States 3283 Posts	Posted 04/03/2013 1:18 pm Beauty (value) is in the eyes of the beholder. Natural patina/toning is actually a method of determining whether or not a coin has original surfaces especially on very old silver coins. Recognizing this is something I am presently learning about, so I'm no expert, but I do believe your coin is unmolested, which may be desirable to the right person. It's a common Seated quarter, as Seated quarters go, so in the long run it is probably a mute point. It's popularity is based on it's unique type factors, that is, arrows and rays, so anyone putting together a 7070 wants this coin or at least an example of it. Report this Post to the Staff
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