Unknown Coin

Thank you for your comments and the enlargement - what I find difficult to believe is that someone would sell a coin for say £100 max on ebay when if it was real it would probably achieve £1,000 in that condition. I know you have stated that " It cost me a lot more than the starting price of this auction, and might get pulled if the bids dont cover the cost price, sorry ! " which again is inconceivable behavior to me.

Glad you can see it, I still can't...
As for the selling price, once again, I know nothing about coins. I bought it as a gamble, hoping it was old, guessing it might be silver, so took a chance. I often see coins in auction houses reaching hundreds, and thought I'll give it a try.
If it is a fake or copy, then I still can't see it, sorry.
I had no idea it was a rare coin so set the price as a reasonable start to get the bidding going.
As E-Bay goes, it shouldn't matter if a coin starts from 99p as it will reach it's 'worth' just like any other item. E-bay has many knowledgeable buyers, and IF this is a fake or copy, they'll know that, whereas it will sell for a decent price, if those buyers know otherwise.
Someone made the comment about this coin being just like the museum reproduction one. Well, sorry to state the obvious, but that site uses real coins to copy, so they are bound to be 99% similar, or they wouldn't sell, would they ?
As stated, mine is different to the repro pointed out, as mine has no dot inside the D.
As I already told you, perpaps the dot was added to the repro to identify it being modern ?
Before you say I might have removed the dot, see the magnified scan care of the app on my phone, you'll see no signs of a dot ever being there.
I think you guys might have this one wrong, but as a newbie to coins, I am willing to be proved wrong IF I can see the evidence !

Tonight, I have been in contact with Brian Cross of Museum reproductions...
I asked him to look at the face with DVDA on it, and he asked for a scan of the other face. I provided that....
He has the ENLARGED SCAN, of the DVDA side, and here is HIS reply, IN FULL....

Hi Jim

I'm glad to be able to tell you that this coin is not one of ours. Go to our shop at
www.museumreproductions.co.uk/shop and search for coenwulf in the search box.

No 587 is the nearest of the three that we do and your coin is not that coin. Your coin has a dot in the D and our doesn't.

And... I cannot see a "R" on yours anywhere !

We are back on 1st June.

Call us after that for a chat eh?

Cheers

Brian


So, to all you doubters out there, get bidding !! x

The fact is you do not care who you rip off if you did you would withdraw the item and seek expert opinion from someone who has the coin in hand. If it is real you will make lots of money, if not you will will learn and no other person will suffer, you are a prime example of why this country is degenerating - money is GOD.

Welcome, new-to-coins! I'm the someone who maintained this coin was identical to the Museum Reproductions copy, and I will continue to do so. I can't imagine why Brian Cross would be so quick to say differently. Let me explain what I meant. The dies for the original coins were each made by hand; the addition or subtraction of a dot does not change the fact that the devices on these two coins have exactly the same shape, size, and position. These dies broke frequently, and most of the coins from any one set of dies will have been lost over time. Still, two coins from one die set might still exist, however unlikely. What will be as unique as a fingerprint to any one coin, though, will be the strike. A disc was placed between the dies and hammered by hand, always more or less out of place. The edge on the DVDA side is surrounded by a circle of dots. Those dots on both coins are farthest from the edge on the opposite side from the letter A. Following around counterclockwise, the dots almost disappear at a point just past the letter D. There is only one genuine coin in the world that would have exactly this position of "offset" in the strike: the metal detectorist's coin that Museum Reproductions used to make their copies.
Let me now explain why yours is not that coin. On the tribrach (the three-armed cross) on the Museum Reproductions coin, the center line carries a row of dots (which is the usual design for this coinage). Yours is nearly a solid line, though some traces of dots remain. The original coin must have had dots that were as pronounced, or more so, than Museum Repro's copy; a copy may lose detail, but not add it.
I hope you understand we are saying these things, not out of malice, but out of the desire to help everyone who reads them to become a little less "new to coins."

@ Philadelphian...

Many thanks for placing a rational comment on your thoughts.
I have no idea how the coins were made last week, let alone 1300 years ago, so nice to be educated, rather than shot down like the other members on here seem keen to do.

I take your points, but still struggle to add up a few things :-
1. Brian Cross has stated it's NOT one of his. Why would he say that if it's as clear cut as you say ? He must know his own work, and he clearly didn't recognise this coin.
2. I still can't see this miracle letter 'R' that one or two on here seem to see.

All I know is that this coin has caused me so much trouble on here, and all I wanted to do was sell it to get my investment back.
People on here are all but calling me a liar, which is a fantastic start to a hobby.
I'm going to ponder overnight what you have said, and will consider it, but not sure what to do yet.

Jim

How about you just man up and post some higher resolution images here? Or... lemme guess... your camera/scanner just broke.... the coin is in your safe deposit box.... or... [insert some of the other dozens of excuses we've heard before here]

Hey just a honest third party oppinion. But the coin does not look genuine due to two main features. One the exceptional centring of the design which is very very rare in ancient coins I have seen. Secondly the condition it is in seems more like it was struck yesterday more than in 1300. But if you still believe it is genuine send it to either PCGS or NGC and they will tell you wether it is genuine because I can tell you now if you try and sell something that people see has questionable autheniticity then its not going to sell or if it does it will sell for very little. In my honest third party oppinion (cant get more independent than an Australian unless you are Switzerland) it would be better to withdraw the coin because if it does sell and the buyer discovers it is fake you would effectively opened yourself to prosecution within the United Kingdom as a Fraud under the Fraud Act 2006 (UK) which can see you fined or jailed for up to ten years.

Note I have very limited emperience in ancient coins what I do know is limited to viewing ancients at auctions and reading a few articles on them.