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1867 Shield Nickel You Vs. NGC

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An old nickel from my inventory. Give it a go, and I will post the grade late Wednesday night.

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Sorry the photos aren't as sharp as I would like them, I had a different camera and lens set-up back then when I shot this, hopefully they are good enough to show what you need to grade.
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 Posted 04/15/2013  9:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add WJeeda to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Still inexperienced, but I'll give it out at

MS62
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Tough call. I'm seeing some pretty unique die polishing on both faces - the obverse is especially strange because of the horizontal orientation but there's no way to create postmint scratches in those areas without affecting the vertical bars of the shield. Neat piece.

I'm guessing NGC picked up on this, and called it 63.
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I will guess it graded MS-63. A pretty nice coin!
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Yep, MS63 was my first thought.
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I still think MS62...something about it feels that way. Fine looking coin, regardless!
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MS64? Great looking Shield!
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I'm going to give it a whirl at just the surface appearance level and say MS62. I just learned, courtesy of Dave, possible diagnostics of die polishing marks as distinguished from PMD (scratches). Ahhh, the power of the CCF education.

nice nickel all around
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Amazing die polish lines but nothing that looks like cleaning or other "problems". Strike is well above average based on the sharp detail on the Stars and Bars reverse. Luster also appears very strong which is not always the case for MS Shield nickels.

I'd say MS-64 is not out of the question. Very nice nickel and a superior type coin!
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SuperDave is right on about the heavy die polishing marks. This one shows the polishing lines particularIy well. I actually never owned this coin, but was a partner/broker in the sale.

HINT: Nobody has got the grade yet! 24 more hours for guesses, I think you will all be surprised at the grade on this nickel.
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PR-64?
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SuperDave is right on about the heavy die polishing marks.


For future reference, one primary attribution point is that the marks are of equal strength right up to the devices. External influences causing those scratches wouldn't reach the devices easily; the devices would tend to "protect" the field adjacent to them. With Morgans in particular - large coins prone to extensive polishing - you regularly see die polishing which is at its' greatest strength right at the edge of the devices.


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PR-64?


Hadn't considered a Proof. 1867 With Rays Proofs are astonishing rarities as originals - less than 15 struck - but restrikes exist and if this example is a Proof, it's one of the restrikes; the originals wouldn't show this polishing and the date location is wrong.
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I'm not sure about this being a proof strike or not. There appears to be the remnants of a die clash event in the shield and what looks like a die crack on the obverse at 11:00 to 12:00 and the reverse at 2:00 to 3:00. I guessing this is a circulation strike die that was freshened up after taking a hit. Just a shot in the dark...therefore maybe MS65 or even MS66 as there are no distracting marks present.
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And the grade is...?

I had thought MS66, but looked at other examples and chose MS62, but perhaps I should have kept my original guess?

We'll see soon!
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and... there it is, this coin was unbelievable in luster, I really wanted a MS67 grade, but that would put it well into 5 figures even several years ago! One of the finest nickels I've ever handled, wish I could have afforded to keep it.



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I had thought MS66, but looked at other examples and chose MS62, but perhaps I should have kept my original guess?
Yep sometimes it's best to go with your first gut instinct.
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