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1920 Wheat Only 1.9 Grams!! Help

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I found this yesterday and as soon as I picked it up I knew it was way to light to weight 3.1. Sure enough its only1.9 Please help me with this one I haven't seen anything or found anything on google about a penny weighing this much. I'm hoping its on a dime planchet


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 Posted 04/22/2013  8:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add inventor719 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It could have been struck on a thin planchet...I am not a professional at error coins or error coin terms but, my guess would make sense. It does not look like a dime because of the colour but who knows...

Anyway, cool find!
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 Posted 04/22/2013  8:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kevinrowe9 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There is so much information and terminology it's hard to know exactly what your looking at but I didn't thnk of a thin planchet. I'll definitely do some research on that and see what I can find. I was thinking the same about the dime planchet.
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 Posted 04/22/2013  9:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add toner to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
looks like acid to me.but wait for the experts.
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I have a British penny in uncirculated condition, that was deliberately struck on a thin planchet. All of the detail is sharply struck up.
It was struck just at a time just before The Royal Mint was re located from London to Llanstrisant, in Wales.

A few coins with deliberate errors were illegally struck by the employees, in protest against the re location.
I guess that a lot of the employees would have been retrenched, and at least some of them would have strongly disliked being retrenched.
The error coins were just thrown over the perimeter wall, to be picked up by passers by.
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 Posted 04/22/2013  10:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kevinrowe9 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's pretty interesting! Sounds like a keeper. I think anything that's not PMD or struck how it was supposed to be by the mint is definitely something to hold on to! Some coins have a billion of the same year and mint but not even close to a billion that have the exact same error!
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Dimes are smaller in diameter, but it cannot have been struck on a dime planchet, because a Wheat cent is shown. Silver dimes at that time of wheat cents weighed 2.5 grammes.
It is VERY underweight for a Wheat cent, AND for a silver dime as well.

The image is not enough detailed to see the date, but the colour suggests a zinc coated steel cent, dated 1943, which weighed more than a silver dime, anyway.
It such a coin had been acid treated, it would have been black in appearance. Acid could have very easily eaten the zinc coating away, because it would have been preferentially attacked. Buffing the coin after acid treatment would seem plausible in this case.

Such musings lead me to believe that 'toner' is correct.

The U.S. Mint in 1943 was executing coinage orders for a number of foreign Countries. There is a possibility that a blank for one of those Countries could have been used. However, much better pictures are needed to check for this possibility.
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If the coin were the same diameter as a cent and was thinner, then I would lean toward a split planchet. But because the outer diameter is smaller, I'm thinking acid dipped. The obverse rim still looks in tact. The reverse looks like it lost the most detail?
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Hmmm so someone dipped it in acid then tried to clean it up or tried to tone it to a different color? I thought acid ate away the rim first but it has a full rim and a shiny copper color around the rim. Someone probably tried to change it and sell it but just ruined it!!
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The reverse is definitely more worn. So thinner but same diameter is a split/thin planchet?
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Your coin is smaller in diameter. Back in the 1960's they used to take a cent to science class, dip it in acid and reduce the size to a dime. Then they would take it to a soda machine and get a soda for 7-10 cents. If they got a 7oz. bottle they had change for the next three bottles. (I never did this though.)
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The coin is 93 years old. My guess is that it's strictly "circulation-wear".

Here's a side-by-side photo of two coin tubes.

The tube on the left holds 50 mixed 40's and 50's Lincolns, and the tube on the right holds 50 mixed 20's.

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Lol someone always finds a way to cheat the system. I guess that's very creative though and a good story!
That's a dramatic difference in the coin tubes...very good example! I'll still hold on to it just because it's different. My uncle thought it was really neat but then again he knows nothing about coins
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 Posted 04/22/2013  11:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
scotty11: What is the weight of your most worn coin?
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Back in the 1960's they used to take a cent to science class, dip it in acid and reduce the size to a dime. Then they would take it to a soda machine and get a soda for 7-10 cents. If they got a 7oz. bottle they had change for the next three bottles


They were 6.5oz bottles of Coca-Cola then Coop.

Somewhere around here, I think I still have an empty 12oz glass Mountain Dew bottle. "It'll tickle your innards!"
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scotty11: What is the weight of your most worn coin?


I don't own a scale sel. Whenever I need one weighed, I take it to my local coin shop.
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