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What Is "Recolored" For Copper Coins?

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As I've been looking at various ebay auctions, I've seen in some descriptions that a coin "may have been recolored." Does this involve dipping a copper coin in some kind of solution?

How could you tell if a copper coin has its color altered?
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I read that "recolored" means that a coin has been cleaned and has begun to retone, or has been exposed to any number of "un"-natural conditions. PCGS has also used Questionable Color (on my Seated Liberty dollar) on some of their slab inserts.

It's just their opinion afterall.

Here's an older thread, same subject;

http://www.coincommunity.com/forum/...OPIC_ID=8899

http://www.early-copper.com/recoloring.html
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Some shameless sellers (on ebay) recolor coins with something (paint basically).
Some substance, that gives them a even brown color. I read (here) that the stuff comes right off with acetone
to expose the true coin, usually a cleaned coin.
I do not have any first hand experience with any of these coins but have seen "to" perfect coins on ebay
which are suspect.

I have always thought what oih82w8 mentioned to be retoned coins but I don't know, certainly the definition could be inclusive.
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this is the stuff most people use to recolor copper http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nic-A-Tone-...em589f472674 The reason they use it is because once a copper coin is cleaned it has a pinkish color to it and looks very unnatural so they use products like this to re-tone the coin so it has a more natural look to it. This is a picture of the same coin coin before and after recoloring when done correctly. ebay is littered with ones done incorrectly so no real need to post any of them
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Bryan1315, do you feel that re-colored coins, like the one you posted, is devalued due to this process?
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Bryan1315, do you feel that re-colored coins, like the one you posted, is devalued due to this process?


Of course. Recolored coins get Details grades from TPG's as well. The devaluation is perhaps not as serious as a cleaned coin, but substantial all the same. It's no longer original either way.
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Re-coloring is just that, an attempt by an unethical person to cover or hide surface problems such as a cleaning but not limited to that.
Dellars Darkener is one of the agents used.
After seeing enough of them, they become easy to detect.
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Thx for the share, all!

Thinking of changing my name to 'grasshopper' as the more I read, the more I realize I never knew!!

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do you feel that re-colored coins, like the one you posted, is devalued due to this process?

Devalued due to the re-coloring, no. The coin has already been seriously devalued by the cleaning. A good recoloring job that improves the appearance would actually increase the value. It won't restore the value to what an original coin would be, but it can be more than a cleaned stripped coin. On the other hand a BAD recoloring job could devalue the coin more.
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how much, in your opinions, by percentage would you devalue a re-colored coin, lets say if the recolor was done well as in the example? 50%? 75%...
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Bryan1315, the example you gave shows a very drastic difference between the cleaned, and recolored coin. On the computer screen the color looks normal to me except that I see a shiny type appearance around the eyebrow. What signs should I look for to spot deceptive coins like these?
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If the recoloring is done well by someone who has experience doing it, it can be tougher to spot.
Many times, you will notice blotchiness or uneven application showing brown with underlying orange or reddish coloration peeking through.
I'll try to dig up some photo examples.
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my thoughts are if it improves the look of an otherwise unattractive coin its not a bad thing but should be disclosed to any prospective buyers
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Bryan1315, the example you gave shows a very drastic difference between the cleaned, and recolored coin. On the computer screen the color looks normal to me except that I see a shiny type appearance around the eyebrow. What signs should I look for to spot deceptive coins like these?


Bryan's example is a poster child for recoloring. It's too perfect. It screams "I'm NOT ORIGINAL" to me.
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That walnut brown "too evenly smooth" color should throw up flags.
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ok so here is a pic of a recently sold coin on e-bay that has that too perfect look to it. Do you think it has been messed with? Coin sold for over $600 raw. http://www.ebay.com/itm/1846-Braide...t_771wt_1149
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