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Which Would You Buy? Investing For The Kids On This One.

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Hello all, This would be an investment for the kids.
Thursday at our local coin store looking for anything different. My main collections are Capped Bust Halves, Washington quarters and Merc' and Roosie dimes. As I know you collect the highest grade you can whenever you purchase, here is the dilemma. He has 3 Peace dollars (2-22p', one 23p) NGC MS65's, his offer was $350.
The other was 4 Walking Liberty half dollars (1 each, 44p, 45p, 46d, 47p) all 4 NCG MS65's. Offer on these, $440
I know this is a guess, but which offer would you buy as an investment? All 7 coins look great to me but I have bought very few graded coins. I like to see my collections in my albums. I know Walkers have always been popular but I wonder why Peace dollars seem to be to be undervalued compared to other Dollars. Any thoughts would be appreciated. I told him I would call him tomorrow.
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Peace dollars are relatively devalued as much for a lack of demand as anything else. With that said, the deal for the 3 Peace dollars is a better one than the Walkers and I'd probably go that way as an investment.
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Superdave, thanks. I am leaning towards the Peace dollars myself. I understand what your saying on demand for these, I just think at some point Peace dollars will increase. I only have 5 graded coins total, and those were for my collections. I've looked at Numismedia and thought the dollars seemed to be a bit better, plus it'll save me $90. I'm just thinking about what they would inherit on this one, thanks again.
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From an investment standpoint, the Peace dollars are a better deal from what we know now. However... Liberty Walking half dollars are very highly desirable and have been since they were minted. It is very likely that the demand for them will remain fairly constant, while the interest in Peace dollars seems to be more variable. If this is a long term investment you're looking at, you might want to take a second look at the Walkers. Or, you could play it safe and see if you could get a better deal by purchasing both sets!?
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Bama, thanks. I'm going in tomorrow and see what his best would be on both sets, but either way that is a lot of money at one shot. Knowing him like I do I believe there is more wiggle room perhaps. I've got my album of Walkers, so I'm more knowledgeable on that series. I inherited around 140 Peace dollars but nothing near in the MS grades. Just to see them at that grade gave me a new appreciation for that series.
I'll write on what comes out of tomorrow's visit.
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I'll be really blunt. What do your kids like? I say this having received a stack of modern US proof sets which were bought for me. I don't like them, and on a really lucky day maybe someone would give me $10 per set.

I really like coins but my tastes are a lot different from my dad's. He sees them as an investment in commodity collectibles while I see them as tangible history. I doubt that my daughter cares about them one iota. I hope she finds a good buyer when she inherits them. She wouldn't know the difference between my 1853 and 1925 dollars other than that one is older. Maybe the grand kids will appreciate them, but I can't guess.
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Thq, you have a very valid point. I thought about this from my own experience, the coins I was fascinated with at their ages were IHC's. As I grew up my tastes and interests changed, as we all do to a point. My son loves most larger coins, halves and dollars. My daughter likes whoever has the "prettiest" women on them. I'm buying these (whichever I go with tomorrow) based on what I think may be a better thing to buy at this time. I feel like I'll get a better deal tomorrow anyway (hopefully).
What happened with me was around 2004 I saw my first Capped Bust halve dollar, and that changed my focus somewhat. I enjoy the history of coins more, but just have this chance to buy these coins at the moment.
If I'm able to get both sets that will solve the issue, I'll let you know.
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With your daughter in mind, I'd go for the Peace dollars, as the prettiest of all the Liberties. I used to go through the dealer's bullion cans to find the ones with the best struck hair details. My AU 1925-P avatar is one I dug out for melt price. You can find good strikes in any year but 1924-26 P's are easier to find. I also like good cartwheel luster, which makes Liberty dazzling. I'm not so hot on blazing whiteness, because it obscures the detail.
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I took it from your initial post that you were of the intent that this be strictly an investment on their behalf, aside any collecting concerns they might have. The Peace coins were the better initial investment relative to current value, and between VAMming and their collectibility due to ample supply, I also see them as a better long-term bet.
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I'd go for the Peace dollars, as the prettiest of all the Liberties

If that isn't proof that everyone's taste is different I don't know what is because to me the Peace dollar is the ugliest coin that ever came out of the mint except for some that has come out in the modern category. With that being said I would probably buy the Peace dollars myself too if it was for a long term thing like you describe. You may get lucky and some super rare VAM be discovered between the purchase date and the time they start thinking about selling them also. That is one plus with a series that doesn't have a huge following
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This is a purchase for the investment for them. I agree that based on value the Peace's are better right now. After looking at ebay it appears that there are many more MS65 Walkers than Peace. Even when I look at mintages, common dates like 23p, 24p and 25p are just bit higher than a common date walker in an equivalent MS grade. I would expect that Peace dollars will have a greater increase over the next few decades than Walkers, but I've been wrong many times before....
My hope would be that I would be able to get both sets, since I know more about Walkers but I'll see how it goes there tomorrow. There have not been any customers in that store the last few times I've been so that may help on getting a sale, but who really knows. Thanks for all the help and advice.
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http://thepreciouscoins.com/gold-si...de-francisci

I think that Teresa de Francisci is attractive and well-realized on the Peace dollar, especially on a well struck 1921 high relief with her cheeks rounded out. The later dates have a flatter portrait but can have the windblown loose hair detail. I've only seen a couple of auction photos of 1921's with full point detail and they're way out of my price range.
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Extremely common dates in both groups and even being in MS-65 the perception will always be they are extremely common and the upside in ten or twenty years won't be as much as the same amount of money spent on some less common dates in the same grades. For my collection I'd buy them, for an investment I would not but, that's just my opinion.

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IMHO, these are all relatively common coins, even in high grades. One can find them in quantity at most coin shows. As such, they don't seem like investment coins to me. The trade papers are full of ads, touting these plentiful, slabbed coins as investments. To my way of thinking, the true investment coins are those that don't appear in the ads; better dates in higher grades.

I think that full horn Buffalo nickels, like the 1921-S, '24-S and '26-S, offer great investment potential, being "condition-rare." Such coins without problems rarely appear on ebay. Today's semi-keys may well be tomorrow's keys; especially so, in higher grades (e.g. - early D/S Lincolns in XF-AU; problem-free, pre-1880 Indians with a full Liberty). Early type coins, problem free in XF and better, offer great investment potential, methinks.

Getting back to Walkers, the early dates in VF-XF and higher are getting harder to find. With regard to the Peace dollar series, well struck, high-relief coins will always be in high demand.

Back in the 1980's, many an investor learned a hard lesson, buying slabs. Those who bought "the book" and bought "the coin" fared far better in the 1990's and beyond. Whether it's coins, paper money, exonumia (my personal preference) or whatever, investments tend to better pan out when one focuses on material that is NOT so readily available in the marketplace.
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Thank you again for the information and advice. I wish I could only buy "key" dates in ms grades, but the stores locally seem to be much higher than what I've seen on ebay.
The coins I'm looking at were brought in by a collector who I have purchased some raw coins from before. He has a very long relationship with this store as well. He's much older and has been selling to this store for a few years. I'm not locked into these coins at all, I'm sure he has others I didn't see last week.
I would love to go to coin shows but there is never much around here and with health issues I am not able to walk around the floor of these like I did in the past. I've done some more research the last day on earlier Walkers and key Peace dollars and will talk to him about what else they have in inventory.
I take my wife just to keep me in line, if she ever gets done getting ready!
I believe he had Peace '34p in MS64 as well but I"ll check and write back what we decided on.
Thanks again for all the help
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It disappoints me that high grade in both Peace and early walkers does not mean a sharp strike. The appearance of an AU is often better, at a fraction of the price. The later walkers don't have that problem.

One high relief walker that's usually well struck is the 1916-D, and can be fairly affordable. Here's a really nice one. http://briangreerrarecoins.com/inventory.html?c=39
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