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1971-S Cent Doubling - Date And MM - What Kind?

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What kind of doubling would this be on the date and MM? Is this a case of Die Deterioation Doubling (Die Wear)? Or perhaps Machine Doubling? And how would you tell the difference?
I notice that the doubling seems to be NE.
Thanks, Pete


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 Posted 05/07/2013  5:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Fuzzy317 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
think I see either a die chip, or a RPM. The date looks fairly normal with a few hits of PMD.
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looks like a die slide from wore out dies to me.
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Machine doubling. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Is it fair to say that if the mint mark shows doubling along with the date and/or the motto and/or Liberty, it is usually Machine Doubling?
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The tell tale of Machine Doubling is notice how flat the doubling is, and how it takes away from the device in question. True doubling will be the same shape, not flat. Plus the device being doubled will not lose size, but rather gain in size. Plus it is my understanding that the mint mark was applied to the working dies, therefore a true doubled die would already exist on the die prior to the adding of the mint mark.
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Nice illustration, DaveH! That should be in a sticky under "Important Topics" with the title: "If you think you have a doubled-die coin, look here first... with a note on or under the illustration saying that Machine Doubling is common and hub doubling adds value. It is very informative for a visual learner like me. Thanks for posting it!
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You should really give people credit for their drawings/pictures/words etc. I am not sure who made that scetch but I am pretty sure it was one of the experts on tis forum..
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I believe it was Coop, at least he was the first I had seen post it.
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I don't remember exactly where the drawing came from, but most likely here on the forum. I frequent quite a few coin-related sites... Didn't mean any offense to anyone and give due where it's due
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I didn't mean to sound mean or say that you offended anyone...Just thought it would be nice to give credit like you said....

I did learn that my last post has some horrible spelling! Yikes! Guess I should use the spell check function...lol
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It's from my teacher, Chuck Daughtrey.
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He made that drawing.
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@ Jayman931,

No offense taken & point well made. Thanks.


@ coop,

You must have an awesome teacher. That's good stuff! Thanks for posting it originally.
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Quote:
It's from my teacher, Chuck Daughtrey.


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You must have an awesome teacher

Charles Daughtrey A.K.A coppercoins is AWESOME. Let me introduce you to him.
http://www.lincolncent.com/about.php
When you're done click that link for coppercoins.com.
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