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Pillar of the Community
United States
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It looks like he managed to snag two legitimate suckers bidders at $250+. To be clear... NOT genuine (I believe Mathieu and his Spanish forum acquaintances are aware of this guy and his group of associated classically-inspired IDs): http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-REALES-18...230980090793 |
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Valued Member
Romania
86 Posts |
May I stimulate you for more details about this?
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
1962 Posts |
A rainbow ram wants to stimulate me... hey now!
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Valued Member
Romania
86 Posts |
@ realeswatcher: Sir, maybe I formulated it wrong. Excuse me for this.
I would like to ask you to tell more about your opinion and what is based on, just for learning purposes in this segment of Spanish colonial, in which I am still a novice.
The purpose for picking up that avatar was exactly to show my ignorance, but I am disappointed by the ironic and deprecating nuance of your reply.
Once again, excuses if I was misunderstood.
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
739 Posts |
I for one bogdanjovi clearly understood what you were asking in your original post and can state without any doubt that your English is far superior to my Romanian. I am just disappointed that I cannot enlighten you on this subject.
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Pillar of the Community
France
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Valued Member
Romania
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Thank you, MathieuMa! As far as I understand, it is the history of the seller that lead to the classification of the coin as fake. Even the picture, as you said, might not be the real one. Still, are there any suspicion points related to the images from the original ebay post? Once again, thank you! |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1962 Posts |
Oh, I understood what was being asked perfectly fine... but I simply HAD to note the "double entendre" there. I do find it curious that your English is advanced enough to formulate a sentence like "ironic and deprecating nuance"... yet that one slipped out. Put that together with, um, the rainbow ram and... You realize the rainbow has also almost totally shifted in meaning across most of the globe, right?
Well, anyway, now you know a new English idiom... one to be used very selectively :->
PS - speaking of idioms, nuance, symbolism, and such... Do that not have that yet in Romania?
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Anywho, the coin itself... Mathieu (nor I) said nothing about it simply being the seller's history dictating that the coin is fake... That's just background and corroborating evidence - the piece is bogus on its own. Firstly, Santiago mint Colonial pieces above the half real are very scarce in such a high grade. While it is usually the Charles III 4R and 8R that are counterfeited (out of China over the last decade), a piece like this isn't immune. Mathieu, I believe he also has a 1787 Chile 2R?
Aside from that, you should recognize that the execution here is not perfect. While the design is likely reasonably close to correct for an 1805 Chile 2R, the surfaces are simply "off"... and there are one or two features typical of Santiago mint pieces that aren't really present here. Enough said.
The best thing you can do is to be aware of what genuine pieces SHOULD look like (major auctioneer archives, etc.)... I also suggest you take the time to read some of the archived forum posts here on CoinCommunity... and remember, Google is your friend.
Edited by realeswatcher
05/22/2013 06:04 am
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Mathieu, you're aware of this, but if you look at the ID histories, he changes names WITHIN the same account every so often... usually recycling some ancient-themed name from one account to the other.
I would assume the coin shown is the actual piece being offered... I haven't seen this one from this group before... but I'm guessing another one will appear in the future. Same has happened with that other Chile 2R they offer... and a few homeland Spain portrait 2R that I recall seeing multiple different copies of.
What's curious is that at one point, seemed like he was offering almost all garbage - fake pillars, fake portraits... everything fake. Now, he mixes in some lower-end genuine stuff in addition to the several higher-end, highly-priced pieces you mentioned which do appear to be genuine... I'm sure he fancies this to be a great innovation on his part. Why not mix some legit pieces in there... lends legitimacy to his other cr4p. There was one piece that I think he sold some time back which I thought I recalled seeing either in an Aureo auction or Cayon (i.e., he himself bought it).
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Pillar of the Community
France
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Yes, he has more than one ID, and is activating those once in a while. In addition to this, he change the pseudo of those accounts once in a chile.
This history is going back a couple of years, and is still speaking for itself :)
I saw him listing genuines coins he don't own at incredible prices (so they never sell), some which look genuine at normal prices, and in those, regular copies. He tries to sell those at either cheap starting price, or higher ones ... he is very innovative in the way to sell his crap coins.
He used to sell a lot of counterstamps (fakes) - but I didn't saw any since a while.
In any case, with that seller, don't expect to get something nice - you have a good chance to get stolen ... or at least to pay a regular price (risk added) for some regular coin.
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Pillar of the Community
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Edited by MathieuMa
05/22/2013 08:46 am
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Aside from the seller's reputation, there are some specifics about the coin which point todoubtful authenticity.. The bust seems to have a roughness to it. There are odd dots or impressions to the lower front of the bust. These could be PMD but still odd. On the coat of arms side the lettering is bad, especially the E's. The castles, lions and fleurs de lis seem crude. It is hard to evaluate the fields from the photo. I would hate to see the edge. Probably a quickie die transfer. |
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