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Bone To Pick With A TPG

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 Posted 05/23/2013  5:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add grancap74 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you SuperDave, that's a very good idea.

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I've video'ed my packing process for a mailing before, to use as evidence for a future claim.

Does anyone have advice on should we send all the coins in at once or say 12 a time on each submission? We have around 45 total I have for TPG.
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 Posted 05/23/2013  6:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Theres pluses and minuses for all at once or breaking it up.

How much would you say theyre all worth? I use express mail so if it was under the 5k insurance limit I would send all at once, if it went over I would break it up and keep both packages under the limit and insured

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 Posted 05/23/2013  7:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add grancap74 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Basebal, the total is around 14K based on Numismedia without our gold coins. Your information on the 5K for insurance gives me guidance though. I want to upgrade different sets and after reading over the last year, it seems best to have the Twenty Cent, Trade dollars, Mercury 1916 d's and other higher value coins in for grading rather then selling them raw on ebay. We have had most of them authenticated by my LCS, of course he wanted to buy many of them but for far less than it looks like they sell on ebay. I'm never really certain to know which to grade and which to not. Do you think listing them out and posting pictures would be helpful for deciding which way for us to go?
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 Posted 05/23/2013  7:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The 5k insurance limit is just for express mail, I believe registered mail lets you insure up to 15 or 20k for a single package. Regardless of how you ship if it gets significantly over the limit I would always break it up into another package.

I certainly dont think it would hurt to list them out and get more opinions.

Without seeing anything I would say to have the key dates graded, the authentication alone will bring back a better price then raw would. Trade dollars and Twenty Cent almost always benefit from being slabbed as well and helps prevent people from accusing you of selling fakes.

You seem to have a good handle on what would do better, the gold would be the one thing youve mentioned I would think twice about. With the price of gold now a lot of gold sells like its bullion as their numismatic premiums have eroded and without the numismatic premium they dont seem to benefit from being graded in a lot of cases unless they would grade on the high end of their ranges.

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 Posted 05/23/2013  8:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add grancap74 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks again Basebal, I'll start working on pictures tomorrow for a post on this subject. I'd love to hear what everyone thinks on what's worth grading or not. On the gold, we have a number of CC eagles as well as St. Gaudens. Looking at ebay it seems that the graded ones are significantly higher on auctions. I would like to have some MS gold coins for the collections and I'm not sure if any of our would make MS outside of the St. Gaudens. I'm also petrified about doing the submissions as I haven't done any yet. I've been reading through older posts on submissions and are finally at that point, there's also the financial total that all these coins will be.
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The 5k insurance limit is just for express mail, I believe registered mail lets you insure up to 15 or 20k for a single package.

Insurance limit for Registered mail is $25K.
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 Posted 05/24/2013  10:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oih82w8 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Although I cannot see this at work, here may be a 1914/3 (FS-014.87) Buffalo through Heritage;

http://coins.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleN...otIdNo=49002
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 Posted 05/24/2013  5:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add solotime to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
They done a very good job on the grading though. I would have gave that buffalo the same grade.
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 Posted 05/26/2013  02:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Drsandman2 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
TPGs are so bad at assigning varieties, that I would never have it done. I must have seen over 100 IHCs with the wrong attribution in a slab. Makes the whole thing a complete gimmick.
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 Posted 05/26/2013  12:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hesgut to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It is quite unfortunate that you did not get the attribution you wanted. If you don't consider the fairly common 38-D varieties (which I personally dislike), the 14/3 is the 4th most significant error in the series. Important only after the 3-legger, 18/7-D, and 16DDO. I can't tell from the pics if it is 14/3 or not, but I'm sure you're correct and I am surprised they wouldn't attribute that one.

I do, however, completely agree with their grade and am pretty happy to see they got this one right as I've seen many circulated buffalos that NGC overgraded. I've seen an F-15 with no horn. I've also seen another F-12 with a 2-digit date.

This coin has a full, but somewhat weak date. LIBERTY is separated from the rim, but not well. I know the 13-15 buffalos had LIBERTY struck much worse than all later pieces, but this piece also has wear. You have 1/2-2/3 horn, though that too is a bit weak. It's pretty much a textbook fine IMO. I wouldn't get too upset over an F-15, but I'd never consider this piece a VF-20.
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The 1914 overdate was originally accepted by all TPG'ers.

However, after study some (read: NGC) decided that it was not conclusive enough to
accept as a variety.

Also, consider there are a number of different supposed 1914 P dies with over dates, and there
is only one that is universally accepted as valid.

Same goes for the supposed 1914/3 D and 1914/3 S dates.
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 Posted 05/31/2013  09:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add grr601 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I recently sent what I thought was a 1942/1 D dime to ANACS for certification after three different dealers at a coin show told that I should. It came back as a regular 1942 D. I can live with that, but in all honesty I see them on ebay and other sites all the time that do not look any better than mine. I know there is a lot of subjectivity that goes into it, but I feel like I got yhe short end of it on that one.
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Everything is correct, and if anything they were generous on the grade.
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I completely agree with the poster. What the heck?! I would call them back and see if you can talk to someone different; that variety seems too significant to exclude from noting. Also, you might want to post on the Ask NGC forum and see if you get any responses.

I just worked with NGC on a coin and they were very helpful, so I'm a bit surprised by this issue.
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How does that saying from the days before the internet go?

Let your fingers do the dialing.

Call first.

Before you submit a coin call or email to see if they recognize and will certify the variety you think you have.

If not move on to the next TPG.

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