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1891 P Morgan Silver Dollar

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I grabbed this today, I'll put up better pics when I have it in hand, but what do you guys think from these pics? MS 62? 63? 64? This date has a huge price jump from 63 to 64

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 Posted 05/22/2013  11:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Tremendous luster. I'm going to await bigger pics before expressing a grade opinion, for the reason you noted.
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 Posted 05/23/2013  02:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add supgog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
From these pics at looks at least MS63, but let's see the full pics before calling it :).
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nice full luster, don't see any break. from these pics the cheek looks clean and very little contact hits. I'm going with MS64 with the option to revise if better pics are posted.
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possibly a MS-65.
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Bump--

Received the coin, what do you guys think now? TPG? I am not too experienced with the morgans.
Thanks for the opinions! I provided several different views, number of lights, type of light, to help see how it really is in hand. Thanks.

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 Posted 05/28/2013  01:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I can't say I'm entirely sure you got the coin that was pictured. On the pictured coin, I not a horizontal mark right of the bust, pointing towards 3:00. Another to the right of the eagle's head, also horizontal. A third above "tr" in "trust," also horizontal. A near-rim ding, left of the "O" in "ONE."

None of these are seen on the coin you shot, even with all you've done to create differing lighting. The seller's pics do not depict the angled mark near the "N" in "UNUM." Nor the vertical mark on the jaw.

With that said, the definitive mark under the "P" in "PLURIBUS" is reassuring. The coin I'm seeing here has a realistic shot at 64. It'd be a "middle of the road" grade, probably no CAC bean, but 64 is on the table. For the reason you mentioned - the sizable gap between 63 and 64 - I wouldn't be surprised if a TPG wimped out and called it 63. It's not an unjustifiable decision, especially if all the marks I've mentioned are visible in-hand.

You've obviously done your homework, and know the relative values. If I had any headspace on value vs. investment, I'd submit it.
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Thanks as always SsuperDdave for your advice! after looking at it in hand, I can confirm the coin to be the same as in the origninal pictures.

I'll probably submit it, as I got it at a price that I would still come out ahead 50$ after grading.

Any more takes on the new pics?
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I think the original pics could be lighting and angle to obscure some of the mentioned differences. I'm still in at 64. p.s. if you can remove coins from the holder you'll be able to get better shots as it causes relfections
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I think it looks like a perfect example of an MS64
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I think it could grade MS-64 but probably no better.
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With that said, the definitive mark under the "P" in "PLURIBUS" is reassuring. The coin I'm seeing here has a realistic shot at 64. It'd be a "middle of the road" grade, probably no CAC bean, but 64 is on the table. For the reason you mentioned - the sizable gap between 63 and 64 - I wouldn't be surprised if a TPG wimped out and called it 63.


Exactly correct SuperDave!

And I would not be surprised if this hasn't already been in a TPG holder or two in the past, cracked out to get that better 64 grade.
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BUMP- this coin came back as MS 63. I would agree that it is a close one between MS 63 and 4, but the TPG wimped out.
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