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2009 P Roosevelt DDR/ Extra Oak Leaves

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 Posted 06/09/2013  12:55 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add pennyroll1977 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I was bored and looking through a hand full of 2009 Roosevelt dimes and to my surprise I found(what I think to be) a double die reverse. I tried to research it, however there is no mention to this oddity. I will post some pictures and someone help me to identify this coin. Thank you for your help.
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 Posted 06/09/2013  09:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
to CCF.I am no pro but it does not look like a DDR to me.It looks like a die chip or crack or maybe part of a die clash.
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1) Not a DDR
2) It is doubleD die
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so being that this dime is double die how would I go about trying to get this coin recognized? there isn't any mention of this die variety and I'm sure that all of the hording of this coin and that a good bit of them went to Puerto Rico kept mention of this dd under raps for 4 years. I know that there isn't much value to ultra modern coins and especially the Roosevelt dime series post 1965. that being said does this doubleD die add any value to the coin or take away from it like a double strike? has anyone else seen or heard of one? plus what's the difference in a doubleD die and a DDR? thanks for your and everyone else's opinions and advice.
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Not a doubleD die
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I finally spotted what you are looking at. (An arrow would have helped) It is a die crack. There is also a die crack on the "OF" and possibly on the second "T" in STATES.
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 Posted 06/10/2013  12:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pennyroll1977 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I was having trouble with my phone due to a storm. it stated not posted yet I find that it posted three times. so sorry if there was any inconvenience.

as far as the photographs, it really doesn't do the coin justice. under regular magnification it looks like another leaf. the photographs were taken with no flash. I will try to take better Picts. plus there looks to be a crack at the bottom of the torch.

to 3 times an answer, your first statement was confusing. it isn't and it is. well my posts were not intentionally done, hence the three identical posts. I'm glad that you and everyone else is contributed to this thread.

this could be a crack issue. I have seen a crack at the bottom of the torch. would a crack produce a repeat image? there are other singular doubled dies I.e. the 2009 Lincoln Cent with just the thumb reproduced.

so die crack? that could be it. would that produce a raised image? there deffinatly
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 Posted 06/10/2013  12:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pennyroll1977 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I will try to post better pictures. again thank you to everyone for your input, advice, and collective knowledge.

1 last question. cannot die cracks be a collectable variety? I have seen some listed as varieties with Peace dollars and Morgans.
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it is a die crack. I see it now. they are all over the reverse. it goes from the torch to the right rim.bone is in the oak leaves and the big one on the leaves on the left top. dang I was excited.
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Die cracks are irregular in shape. The are the result of the die breaking down. (I feel these happen when a die clash/clashes occur. The steel to steel contact is not a normal event for them.) The are raised and widen with more of the die flaking away. They eventually go to the chip state, then later die break state. All depending on how much the die looses metal in that area.

Collectable? Some collect these, but they are common. Like some things people collect the stronger the more interest is shown. When they get to looking like this one:
2009-P-Roosevelt-DDR/-Extra-Oak-Leaves
More interest is shown. Small ones are minor in the collecting world. When I started collecting years ago, I saved stuff I found in 2X2's. But looking back now I realize that I spent more for the 2X2 than the coin was worth. I have a book of them in 20 per page sheets. (What was I thinking....)
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it is a die crack. I see it now. they are all over the reverse. it goes from the torch to the right rim.bone is in the oak leaves and the big one on the leaves on the left top. dang I was excited.
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I was having trouble with my phone due to a storm. it stated not posted yet I find that it posted three times. so sorry if there was any inconvenience.

as far as the photographs, it really doesn't do the coin justice. under regular magnification it looks like another leaf. the photographs were taken with no flash. I will try to take better Picts. plus there looks to be a crack at the bottom of the torch.

to 3 times an answer, your first statement was confusing. it isn't and it is. well my posts were not intentionally done, hence the three identical posts. I'm glad that you and everyone else is contributed to this thread.

this could be a crack issue. I have seen a crack at the bottom of the torch. would a crack produce a repeat image? there are other singular doubled dies I.e. the 2009 Lincoln Cent with just the thumb reproduced.

so die crack? that could be it. would that produce a raised image? there deffinatly
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I was having trouble with my phone due to a storm. it stated not posted yet I find that it posted three times. so sorry if there was any inconvenience.

as far as the photographs, it really doesn't do the coin justice. under regular magnification it looks like another leaf. the photographs were taken with no flash. I will try to take better Picts. plus there looks to be a crack at the bottom of the torch.

to 3 times an answer, your first statement was confusing. it isn't and it is. well my posts were not intentionally done, hence the three identical posts. I'm glad that you and everyone else is contributed to this thread.

this could be a crack issue. I have seen a crack at the bottom of the torch. would a crack produce a repeat image? there are other singular doubled dies I.e. the 2009 Lincoln Cent with just the thumb reproduced.

so die crack? that could be it. would that produce a raised image? there deffinatly
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