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How Long Til US Mint Readjusts Price Of Silver Products?

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 Posted 06/27/2013  01:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add OldSkoolMadSkilz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That might not be too bad. Say the price was locked and silver fell. That might cause a good number of people to not buy it making the total mintage be lower. Then those sets would have a higher value because they are scarcer.
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Id rather have the sliding prices if it keeps overall prices lower. I dont think it would be the worst thing in the world to have some lower mintages every now and then. One of my biggest criticisms with modern mint products is everything has to high of a mintage. I understand things should be available to everyone but a low mintage every now and then would get people more excited about modern collecting instead of things just being viewed as a dime a dozen. The 2011 eagle set for example helped eagles take off and the 06 set benefited from that as well.
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 Posted 06/27/2013  07:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JSH to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I thought that the whole idea behind the ASE program was to decrease the amount of silver that the fed was holding (hoarding).
The original purpose of the ASE programs was to slowly consume the US strategic stockpile of silver. From 1986 to 2002 the Mint used that reserve and when it ran out Congress reauthorized the program with the requirement that the silver used be mined in the US. Harry Reid of Nevada sponsored the extension which isn't surprising considering Nevada is a silver mining state.
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The original purpose of the ASE programs was to slowly consume the US strategic stockpile of silver. From 1986 to 2002 the Mint used that reserve and when it ran out Congress reauthorized the program with the requirement that the silver used be mined in the US. Harry Reid of Nevada sponsored the extension which isn't surprising considering Nevada is a silver mining state.


Yes, that fine and good. But they do need a sufficient stockpile even in peacetime.

A good example was when they authorized transfer of 13,000+ TONS of silver from the Treasury to Oak Ridge. They needed copper, but that was in short supply during the war, but silver is an excellent conductor, so they used that. If you ever saw the generators at the Hoover Dam, just imaginge a room full of those with huge silver magnets. Now to get an idea of 13,000 tons, the US produced just over 1,000 tons in all of 2012. A strategic stockpile is good.

That's silver, and like I said has a huge industrial component, less now that everyone switch from conventional aniline film (Your old Kodack pictures) to digital cameras.

Gold is really interesting. Nobody knows why, and I think this is unclassified, Russia is buying HUGE amounts of it. Not the citizens...the government. My guess is that they are purchasing it as a safeguard against banks like Cypress. I think India is the biggest importer, followed by China. It's a hedge against rampant inflation. That demand has trickled away.

Goldman Sachs had a forecast 3 months ago for gold to plummet to $1200. They now say that it is oversold, I expect prices to start going up over $1200 (give or take). I think the mint's pricing guide calls for a London Fix average of 2 weeks (I may be off on this). If we can hold around $1200 another week or so, that should be the lowest price for gold bullion.

Silver, I would have to see how much it is to mine ($1200 in gold barely justifies mining at all).
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Silver and gold prices have little impact on the average person until you go into a jewelry store to buy your wife a present, and a pair of earrings that you expect to be $75 is $750. It seems that anything that wall street gets their hands on eventually gets all messed up.
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Yes, that fine and good. But they do need a sufficient stockpile even in peacetime.

A good example was when they authorized transfer of 13,000+ TONS of silver from the Treasury to Oak Ridge. They needed copper, but that was in short supply during the war, but silver is an excellent conductor, so they used that. If you ever saw the generators at the Hoover Dam, just imaginge a room full of those with huge silver magnets. Now to get an idea of 13,000 tons, the US produced just over 1,000 tons in all of 2012. A strategic stockpile is good.

Very true, unfortunately they don't have one now. I take that back, did some checking and they do have a strategic stockpile of about 7 million oz or about 110 metric tons.
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I think India is the biggest importer, followed by China. It's a hedge against rampant inflation.


Their interest has nothing to do with inflation. India has a long cultural history of using it in ceremonies and most of their country has no banking system. Asia you have a distrust of government especially in countries like China. Basically people are their own banks so that they can keep their savings hidden from authority figures. Throw in the fact that China is allowing people to keep more wealth and you have a slightly higher demand.


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$1200 in gold barely justifies mining at all


Gold was mined for years at 300 dollar gold in the 2000s. Its not going to stop being mined if it goes back to that point
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 Posted 07/11/2013  10:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add OldSkoolMadSkilz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Answer to original question- TODAY!
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oooh $52 proof and $43 uncirculated!!!

That is attractive pricing!! I'm trying to save for that reverse proof Buffalo in August. My luck price will be 2G.

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btw, bball India's inflation is 10%. Chinese don't trust the central banks with the housing bubble they went/going? through.

And if you can mine for $300 an ounce, I'll give you $600 per. Although in all fairness, mines haven't shut down during dips in prices. Now if we compare mining cost per country, that is a totally different beast.
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"My luck price will be 2G" lololol

yeah gold is starting to head back up to 1300 an ounce!! The so-called experts were calling for a deeper plunge in gold but it looks good . . . for now. But I hope you can get what you want at a discount.

Anyway, back to topic, I'm glad the mint is offering the annual silver set and the 5oz ATBS at a discount. I had been holding off buying the Perry and 2 more silver proof sets since the community started speculating about the mint's potential price reduction.

I really wouldn't be surprised if the White Mtn 5oz is sold out here soon either. Curious to see if the mint's sales numbers pick up next Tuesday.
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really wouldn't be surprised if the White Mtn 5oz is sold out here soon either


I know, that is why I got the subscription. I learned my lesson from Volcanoes which are still astronomical.
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So Great Basin is scheduled for 7/25 now... will the price stay at $155 until then?
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I seen on the US Mint website, they have dropped the price of the 5oz. ATB silver quarters to $154.95. They only have the White Mountain, Perry Victory, and Great Basin designs available at this time.
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It seems like the numismatic value is doing a great job holding over the gold and silver value.
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