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What do you guys think of this coin ? Value/grade ? Thanks !



1866-Indian-Head.....


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first impression...AU55. Can you post closeup of the obverse I'm seeing some doubling of some letters. not sure if its just the camera angle or lighting.
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It's just the pic, there's no doubling.
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Would like to see this IHC in hand and under a loupe.

The reverse high details are a touch smooth. ....which could be from worn dies.
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I agree, mid AU.
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Not something that I enjoy mentioning, but I think it may be not genuine. The first thing I noticed was the date did not look right especially the 8. Second thing, if I remember correctly, the shallow N reverse was used on all pre-1870 Indian cents and did not begin using the bold N reverse until 1870. Yours appears to have a bold N's. Here's one from PCGS coinfacts for comparison.

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I have to agree, this one does not look right.
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the 8 is very small in the original coin and indeed looks suspect. Close up picture of date?
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At first glance, something looked off to me.
The 8 looks wrong, and also 3 of the 4 diamonds are missing, and I'd expect to see them with this level of wear.

Something might also be wrong with the upper part of the shield.
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The weight is 2.86 and the rim is sharp and not worn at all.
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The guys really nice and gave me permission to remove it from the 2x2 so I could take pics. From the moment I laid my eyes on it I thought it was fake. Especially the reverse, Acloco nailed that one. It almost looks like something was painted on but done really well or almost well lol. I told the guy I was gonna post it here and he was totally fine with that. It was in a lot of five coins and I took a shot. Sadly it has to go back. I could probably sell it for a bunch but I just couldn't live with myself if I did.
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Its the Squatty 8 Variety...I looked for the Diamonds and was suprised to not see any. Looked off to me too. Hopefully its not at a Shop in Eugene, Thats one I'm looking for in my set :P
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Nah I got it off ebay and I was hoping it was better than the one in my album but it wasn't. I was gonna flip it but pretty dang sure its fake so it's going back.
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So many collectors would have been taken by this coin. Good eye for suspicious details and you're very fortunate to have bought it from the collector/dealer you did.
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Of all the details to screw up on a counterfeit, they mess up the date. If they had the date right, this would have fooled many many more people.
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awesome catch D0ubl3Eagle. my first thought was worn dies and the "8" didnt send up any flags as I just thought it might have been a variety for this year. the good news...I now have more knowledge for future reference
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