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 Posted 06/25/2013  12:44 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add SilverTracker to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I admit I am hooked on silver coins of all denominations and origin. What I am so concerned about is the authenticity of the silver coins I purchase on ebay. I do read feedback on the sellers before buying any silver coins but I still feel vulnerable only because I cant spot a fake. I want to get educated on how to spot a counterfeit and any other advice you can offer me so please point me in the right direction.
I don't want to stop collecting because of this. Oh I did try the LCS near me and got the advice of the ring test when you drop one on a hard surface. I asked what if its a proof uncirculated coin he says do the ring test its all he could offer as advice. Please help.

Thank you. John
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 Posted 06/25/2013  01:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The issue of fakes on ebay is a over blown in all honesty because everyone will tell you about a bad experience but no one writes about the 100s of things they buy with no problem. Just stick to reputable sources, stay away from sellers from China and if its a key date or something of significant value buy it graded. You can also look up listings of graded coins to compare to the coin youre looking at.

PCGS photograde is great too to see what real ones should look like and also help with grading at the same time
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 Posted 06/25/2013  03:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I collect World coins, up until about 1950, when silver was trending to be no longer issued for general circulation.

Fakes ARE around in the field I collect in, but they are far and few between, the most commonly occurring being fakes of U.S. and U.K. coins, and rarer European crowns.

The Chinese also love to fake their own silver coins.

I don't buy coins via ebay. I like to examine a potentially valuable coin 'in hand' first, before making a decision to buy.
It is safer to buy lesser valued coins via ebay.
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 Posted 06/25/2013  07:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trout1105 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Fakes are a problem but not as prolific as cleaned or doctored genuine coins, If you pay good money for any of these you will cop the bad end of the pineapple every time.

If you have concerns about a coin you want to buy, get a decent pic and post it on this forum.
The collective knowledge here is amazing and you will get a definitive answer to your questions.
The secret is "Education" If you have ANY doubts about a purchase then don't do it without researching or getting qualified advice.
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I collect ancient coins, as trout1105 knows.
I am very interested in the faking of ancient coins.
Part of my own self education in the detection of fakes is to build up an extensive reference collection of fake coins.
I have about 100 fake ancient coins, some easily spotted, and some very deceptive ones.

My policy is if I have any doubt at all about the authenticity of a coin, I run FAST.
Unfortunately, you need a coin 'in hand' for close examination.
For this reason, I don't buy expensive coins via ebay, unless I already personally know who is selling them.

trout1105 makes a very good point. Modern coins can be found 'doctored' on some way or other.
It would be wise to build up a reference collection of deliberately doctored coins as well.
To this end, the best way of doing this is to buy a job lot of 'dud' coins from public auction.
That is how I have acquired the majority of my 'black' collection.

Reliable book references on the manufacture and detection of fake coins is also a very valuable asset, as well as access to good testing equipment. An patient and extensive search of the 'net will help in your education, however, experience is the MOST valuable asset hou can have in this regard.
That is why a doubtful coin should be taken to an expert in his field.

I have even traded genuine coins for fakes with one of Australia's most reputable dealers.
In this sort of sitution mutual trust is needed. We have known each other for nearly 40 years.
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 Posted 06/25/2013  10:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SilverTracker to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you for all the advice.

I have done some research which I didn't indicate in the opening OP and I have to say between google and you tube you can get some experience from that.

There are 2 things I have seen and one is this neodymium magnets and the other is this acid test. I will be investing in both of these over time as I seek foreign and American junk silver coins.

I haven't really purchased much in the way of junk silver coins, only a handful of Roosies and 3 old Canadian nickels I won off ebay recently. My ASE's and Maple Leaf Canadian Bullion coins came from APMEX and Silvertowne.

With my uncirculated proof coins I will most likely use the Cylinder neodymium magnets when needed but I figure I can place the coin down on a soft surface while sliding the magnet along side it and not on any of the surfaces.
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to learn to spot counterfeits you just have to handle a lot of silver. it will begin to just feel and look wrong to you.
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Silver coins are great!

Also had that problem when I began collecting 2 years ago. I have a thread full of pictures with all the coins I suspected (at least one every week)
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On investing in a neodymium magnet

To catch off metal fakes. While some can be found with refrigerator magnet only about 1/2 of the ones we handle can be found with those.(or 15lb.retriever )
Not all fakes will fail. Just ones with a Ferromagnetic, or Para-magnetic metal alloy at a high % in them will stick.

You can buy an array from us or build your own array with 9 or 16 n52 (5mm or 10mm )cubes in it.
Arranged in a checkerboard pattern and backed (epoxied)to a mild steel plate. I like to use a Chinese coin (for the irony )
2 tests of the magnets power.
A completed array will pick up a silver War Nickel ( 9% manganese) or US paper money (magnetic ink)
If your magnet can not do this it is not powerful enough to catch some magnetic fakes. Not all off metal fakes are magnetic however, and a different class of instrument is required like XRF, specific gravity, or TFDwall.
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Are you just collecting junk silver or low grade common coins? If so, the chances of running into fakes is pretty slim. Still, if you want to check, a magnet will get rid of the iron based fakes pretty easily. Another easy test is weight. With the exception of lead, any coin made from a cheap metal will either be lighter or thicker than it should be. Lead would bend easily. You need a fairly accurate scale and must allow a little loss for wear.
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