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Edited by 7TF
06/26/2013 12:43 am
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The usual die chips that these cheap dies left in the dies later part of its like. People give cutsie names for items like these trying to make it be something. But it is just an extremely worn/chipped/cracked die.
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So COOP, are you saying that the so called," extra claw" are not worth any recognition?
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06/26/2013 12:38 pm
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It is just a die chip with a cutsie name in my book. Others may like them. But I like varieties that started on the die when it was new. Not the cracks/chips/breaks.over die polished/excessive die wear/missing letters/legs/missing mint marks (they were there till the polished them out). But I guess I'm a variety purist. When I see people taken advantage of, I feel it is a misnomer to the hobby. Often when you search ebay, the crap brings more than the true varieties. Mostly because "Newbies" by anything that tickles their fancy. |
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This coin does tickle my fancy but I am not that new to errors. I know this is not an "error" coin but it is a variety. Just because it has not been cataloged does not mean it will not become collectible someday. The clashing is very strong and there is some sunken in areas under the neck that are very interesting.
Double dies and RPMs that you have to use a microscope to view are not something I would consider a variety or error in my book so I guess we just see things a little different sometimes. I really do appreciate your thoughts Coop but I would also like some opinions of others that have studied these quarters for an explanation of what is under the neck and if any of the clashes on my coin are special and worth slabbing, I think I see a clashed E or another letter by the MM. The extra claw stands out and can be seen without a loop so I see no reason it should not be considered a variety. And a variety does not have to start on a fresh new die. I guess you have never studied VAMs. They are a lot more fun than those little copper things, it just costs a lot more money to look at them.
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06/26/2013 8:20 pm
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Don't they all have 5 claws, or is the extra claw that blob between the 4th and 5th? The die is ultra thin there, so I'd be surprised if it didn't eventually break. Many of the state and ATB designs are way to intricate to make durable dies. |
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Not a die variety or an error, just a coin in a Late Die State. There are literally millions of these "extra claw" quarters floating around in circulation and they are so common that I cannot ever see them garnering much attention or a premium price.
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Millions?  |
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Considering that over 500 million Alaska State Quarters were minted, even a lowly 1% total of "extra claws" would equal over five million examples so yeah, "millions" is entirely accurate. |
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It bothers me that the experts ignore the fact that my coin has severe clashing and extreme die wear. I don't care about the extra claw and would not have mentioned it if I had not seen that they are collected. Check ebay for completed listings, they usually bring a few dollars but none of them have the clashing and crumbling that my coin exhibits. Even if there are millions of these coins with the extra claw does not mean that there are not millions of collectors that want one for their collection. |
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Clashing and die wear are just signs of a Late Die State coin and they are also exceedingly common. Honestly, I am having a hard time seeing the clashes because most of the photos are only partially in-focus, not to mention that clashes are difficult to photograph anyway. It is also worth mentioning that the supply of these "extra claws" exceeds the collector base in the US so there will never be a shortage of them. The US Mint infamously stated that there were around 100 million collectors of the State Quarter series but they basically counted everyone with a change jar, i.e. hoarders and accumulators. The actual collector base in the US is a few hundred thousand at best while the ANA only has ~27,000 members. |
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Biokemist, your ANA number is R-3151318... so that means there are at least 3.15 million members.  |
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First of all,only "extra claws" are found on the Phil.(p)'s in which have a mintage of 251.8 M. and I doubt the Mint would let this go through to an amount of 1,000,000. Maybe, but highly unlikely! One more thing... There were over 330 Million 1955 P cents (The most famous double die year) minted, do you suppose...?  Edited by joeykoins
06/28/2013 2:05 pm
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The entire Philly mintage of 250 million would have used 500-1000 working dies. Since the "extra claw" is simply die wear/chipping in an area with fine detail, more than one die would have been affected. It is in no way at all comparable to the 1955 doubled die(a true die variety) which was caused by one singular die. That die was almost certainly removed early in its lifespan after the doubling was noticed since ~25,000 is the generally accepted mintage number of the DDO and a Lincoln die can strike upwards of 1 million coins. Lastly, the Mint couldn't care less about some die chips in a claw because it is simply seen as normal wear and tear that occurs during a die's lifespan. The Mint will remove dies if hub doubling is detected and they do screen out coins of an irregular size but clashes, chips, and cracks are just an acceptable part of the minting process. |
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WoW! I did not know this! Oh,well, I suppose your right. Cool!-joey  |
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