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Does this look like a No FG? There are slightly raised blobs but you can tell they were Struck Through Grease or something. I saw one on PCGS coinfacts website that is graded as No FG and has the same similar lumps. 
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No, you can see bumps here the letters are. To be the "no FG" it has to be completely gone. Like this one. 
Edited by seal006 06/26/2013 08:31 am
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7TF...I manipulated your coin to show you where the "FG" was, as sealoo6 said. 
Edited by wert 06/26/2013 12:10 pm
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or this one on a 1988 
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I see what you are saying but why did PCGS slab one that is similar with the bumps? http://www.pcgscoinfacts.com/Coin/Detail/415498If they will show a picture 2 different types and one has the bumps then there must be 2 different known dies.
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Quote:I see what you are saying but why did PCGS slab one that is similar with the bumps? http://www.pcgscoinfacts.com/Coin/Detail/415498If they will show a picture 2 different types and one has the bumps then there must be 2 different known dies. First and foremost, you have to understand that TPGs make mistakes as well. I can tell you that MOST attributors would not accept anything in the area where the initials are located. This really is not a variety at all. It is believed to be from an over abraided(polished) die, or Struck Through Grease, or a combination of both. In fact this coin will not be listed anymore in the Cherrypicker's guide. It has already been removed from the list on the CONECA website http://www.varietyvista.com/CPG%20V...%20cents.htm I believe I have heard that PCGS will not even slab them anymore.
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Then they need to remove the pictures and the designation from their website as well. I will contact them and see what they have to say. It is not right to make people believe that these are collectible and slab a bunch then all the sudden say oh, never mind these are not even a variety. This coin is Struck Through Grease not abraided. So that would make it a struck through error although it is very minor.
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They did not designate it as a variety. The authors of the Cherrypicker's Guide did. The only varieties that PCGS will slab with the variety attribution number is ones listed in the Cherrypicker's Guide and RedBook. The authors of the Cherrypicker's Guide no longer author it. The next issue is said to be authored by Ken Potter.
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In the variety world it is not uncommon for a supposed variety to get debunked as such. As more knowledge of the minting process is learned many answers to old questions are being answered.
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So should the variety even be shown on the PCGS website? If So, Should they show a coin that you say is misattributed on the page? Or is the coin actually a No FG and the struck through die variety? The other being the abbraided die variety? I am not wanting to make a big deal over this but I need to know. I don't want to list my coin on ebay and it really just be a normal 1969-D, But I also don't want to throw it back and find out later that the coin shown on the website is actually a NO FG which would also make my coin the No FG.
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I am thinking about starting a thread for others to show their 1969-D NO FG coins. Maybe we can find out how many different dies made these. There could be only a few but maybe lots more. The only way to know is to compare coins and die markers. This might also help debunk the idea that they are common or rare.
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I have sold 10 of these over the past 5 years. They are not all that rare. As for comparing dies, how do you propose that? If it is a Struck Through Grease, once the grease is removed from the die it is producing a normal coin again. It is not like your typical variety that would be there for the life of the die. The past 2 years have been very unkind to this coin. I rarely get more than $5 for them now. List it on ebay, if that is what you want. If a buyer complains that it is not the FS-901 as shown in the CPG, you could always argue your point with the PCGS link you provided earlier. For me, I would not list it unless the FG was completely gone.
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I won't list it. I just want to know whats up. Why they would show 2 different types for the same variety unless it was a mistake.
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I completely understand what you are saying about how the grease could have been cleaned up and maybe it happened again in the same spot on the same or different dies making different types of stuck through coins. I never thought about it that way. So really these are not varieties but are rather struck through error coins.
I honestly would not collect them but if others do I want to sell it and not throw it back. Even if it only brought $5 by the way the coin is AU, then I would still have $5 more to spend on coins to search. That would get me 250 pennies to search.
I hope you don't think I am being a jerk about this. I just want to get it cleared up as to if it is really that common and if it is then PCGS should remove it from their website and registry.
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Check the photo on PCGS coinfacts for the regular 1969-D in the same grade. See if the photo was mistakenly put on the variety page.
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For some reason every time I look at the PCGS Coinfacts site now I keep getting the free trial page and they won't show me the page I am looking for. So, I can't look at the regular 1969-D. If you can view it does it look like the same coin as the AU in the 1969-D NO FG link I provided?
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