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1908-S IHC (Fake?)

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I received this impaired coin in a roll of pennies I bought off ebay. My excitement at finding a mint-marked Indian quickly turned to suspicion upon examination of the coin.

At first, I just assumed someone had tried to clean the verdigris off the obverse:

1908-S-IHC-Fake?

But that spot is directly behind the mint-mark on the reverse:
1908-S-IHC-Fake?

My guess is that the "s" was cut out of a Lincoln Penny and soldered onto the IHC. The heated portion of the obverse reacted with what ever surface the coin was resting on.

1908-S-IHC-Fake?

I can't focus as tightly as I'd like on the mint mark itself, but you tell that something is going on:

1908-S-IHC-Fake?
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07/09/2013 5:39 pm
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 Posted 07/09/2013  5:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IHPO8S to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would agree with you it looks fishy to me.
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I'd bet the marks below and to the right of the 'S' is related to how they 'made' the S.
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Was this on the end of the roll so the S was showing?
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Yeah, It doesn't look right style wise. I know there are different positions and styles.
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 Posted 07/09/2013  7:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rachums107 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Definitely something wrong going on here. I'd say from your points of discussion pristine2 that is definitely a forged mintmark. Either way, too much stuff going on here to pacify me.
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Definitely.... The seller wanted you to find that so you'd buy more from him/her.
I would take it to a coin shop see what the guys there can tell you about it.
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It's a fabricated fake. Given the "zits" (strongest in the date and "CENT") and the general rough, porousness on the devices of the obverse (look at the chunk taken out of the R in AMERICA; that's not grease), there is little chance of it being anything else.
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There's something funky about this one. I suspect the corrosion is meant to distract from design problems.
The legends on the observe, especially "STATES" look weird to me too.
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best test for a fabricated coin is taking its weight. any coin shop or jeweler should be able to do that for you. Please let us know what is turns out to be!
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In my opinion it has been altered, not fabricated from scratch. I weighed the coin on my digital jewelers scale and it is 3.09 grammes, which is nearly spot on for an IHC.
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Looks like what comes out of China.
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One thing for sure, it is valueless
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Do you have a USB microscope ?
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As, stated by the others, looks 'fake' to me also... the 'S' is too big and, what is that 'blob' on the bottom of the S..?
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Here's a couple that I have. Maybe you can compare em a bit...



1908-S-IHC-Fake?

1908-S-IHC-Fake?
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