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The issue is that I'm looking for spanish coins ... in France :P
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Actually I do recall, while looking through those display windows, seeing a Spanish Colonial 2 reales of 1789 in pretty decent shape. These tend to be found either in about good or very rarely in top grades: much like 2 franc pieces of the XIX century. This was perhaps the store across the street from CGB.fr. I didn't ask the price but the condition appeared pretty decent. Are you looking for Spanish Colonial pieces e.g. from Spain's American Colonies struck from maybe the mid 1550's up through 1826, or coins issued for the Spanish mainland? For regular Spanish coins I'd try Cayon Numismatica http://www.cayon.comFor Spanish Colonial I like Dan Sedwick as well as Heritage & Stacks. On an aside I believe my 1583 is a franc and not a half-franc. The coin is similar in size and weight to a USA silver half dollar: i.e. 12.5 g, while the half francs seem to be running about 6 grams. However I'd have to get it from the SD Box to weigh it. Edited by Gallienus
07/12/2013 09:54 am
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I'm looking for colonial coins from Spain, from the catholic kings till Ferdinand VII - mainland and new world :)
I'm a regular client of ... Heritage Auctions, Stack & Bowers, Sedwick Auctions (I maintain the "fake spanish coin" facebook group with him and Glenn Murray from the Segovia mint) - and in Europe of Aureo&Calico, Cayon, Vico, Soler y Llach (sometime others from Germany, London or Swiss).
For the 1789 coin, they got it because it's a key date here (revolution) :)
Of that date I only got a 2 escudos from Madrid in a decent condition.
As for your coin ... hehe, as you saw, this is really not my field ;)
Spanish coinage are easier to collect, unlike France the country was way more united - with only a couple of small mints making provincial coins.
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You might want to look at harlanjberk.com. The hoard of 4R Potosi cobs they had is gone but unusual things pop up. I found an 1846K 1 franc in a junk coin box there.
"Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
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Hi MathieuMa What are you looking for in Spanish Colonial? As mentioned I mainly specialize in Latin American Republican- in fact here's a pix of one I actually bought in France which is similar to your avatar.  This October I'm going to a meeting of Specialists in Latin American coinage is Scottsdale, Az. While not able to buy top rarities I can occasionally run across some decent stuff. Of course I had a wonderful experience when I went to the "old coin section" of Buenos Aires, Argentina. Then I inadvertently picked up one rarity at a very cheap price (see below)  as well as a number of high end "sunface" 8 reales, one of which I later sold. I am hoping one day to go back as I heard they're wanting US dollars, and hoping to find a nice grade or date of a La Rioja onza. Thanks also for the info on foreign auctions in Europe and I didn't know about the fake Spanish coin facebook page until now but will have to look at it. |
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The facebook group is here : https://www.facebook.com/groups/monedafalsa/For spanish collonial, I'm looking for anything between the catholic kings and Ferdinand VII. I'm collecting "one of each type" - so I'm usually not going after particular dates / mints. My favourites are : the Felipe II period (for which I'm getting one per mint / denomination), Ferdinand VII and the independence war, the Felipe IV transitional cobs for Potosi, the stars or Lima. I did a side collection : one duro from each south american country after their independence after spain. I have the one in my avatar for example, I'm just missing the Chile volcano peso (maybe because it's scarce :P) Your 2 escudos looks superb !! All in all, south american coins are very nice, I love their design, variety and history. I'll check out that auction house, I never dealt with them ... I wish I would have seen that 4 reales hoard, I really like cobs :) Edited by MathieuMa
07/13/2013 4:44 pm
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Harlanjburk is an excellent firm. One of their consultants on ancients was incredibly generous with his time when I was working on my book.
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"Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
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07/13/2013 10:50 pm
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I'd be glad to see those, if you want to post them in another topic :)
Last time I've eared about that wreck, the cob was dark as well - I've been told the ship was sunk by fire.
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I've bought several ancient coins from Harlan J. Burk & Co. and believe they don't cater at all to small collectors ($100 to $10,000 per coin). One was an EF Roman sestersius of Didius Julianus (193 AD) and another was an Ef denarius of the empeor Galba (68 AD). I could never then get anyone to respond to my phone calls.
Also I believe they engage in market manipulation. E.g. they'll take a coin and list it in auction at 3x the standard price for the type. Maybe it'll sell to a friend and thus they'll establish a new baseline for the coin at a much higher price.
If you're seeking an Athenian silver dekadrachm at $500,000. maybe they'll give you good service but for less expensive pieces I'm not happy with my business dealings with them and will try to stick with CNG, Dieter Gorney, and Artemide Asta auctions.
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07/16/2013 09:35 am
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I've bought several ancient coins from Harlan J. Burk & Co. and believe they don't cater at all to small collectors ($100 to $10,000 per coin). One was an EF Roman sestersius of Didius Julianus (193 AD) and another was an Ef denarius of the emperor Galba (68 AD). I could never then get anyone to respond to my phone calls.
Also I believe they engage in market manipulation. E.g. they'll take a coin and list it in auction at 3x the standard price for the type. Maybe it'll sell to a friend and thus they'll establish a new baseline for the coin at a much higher price.
If you're seeking an Athenian silver dekadrachm at $500,000. maybe they'll give you good service but for less expensive pieces I'm not happy with my business dealings with them and will try to stick with CNG, Dieter Gorney, and Artemide Asta auctions.
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07/15/2013 12:56 pm
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I used to go into Berk's shop on Clark gallienus. That 1846k 1F in the junk tray was way underpriced at $15, considering that Le Franc only lists records for 4 of them in recent sales. The 4R cobs varied in price from $70-$125 depending on whether they could date them. Because they weren't very good at it, I got several dated 4R's for $70 each. Another good US foreign shop is Paul Bosco in Manhattan. http://www.pauljbosco.com/ I got the only Henri III franc I have from him. I'd recommend, as with Berk, a live visit to his shop when you're in NYC see what he has in hand. Last visit I got a Cent Jours 2F. "Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
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07/15/2013 1:55 pm
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Actually I forgot: I did get a Latin American coin from Burk & it was a pretty good deal! I got the below 1846 Peru, Peso of Castillo or last type/ Modern Standing Liberty 8 reales. These always have striking problems as there was some sort of problem with annealing the planchlets. Below is my Burk piece which is an AU priced at $75.  Later I got a pair of these types in unc (1847 and 1854?), but this 1847 is a slabbed 63 and it was MUCH MUCH more $ than Burke's coin. The 2nd unc I haven't photographed but it slipped through the cracks and I got it pretty cheap also. It's nice but not quite as nice as the 47.  Edited by Gallienus
07/15/2013 7:45 pm
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Replying again to MathieuMa,
I'm not so knowledgeable about the Spanish Colonial issues but I do try to specialize in the Republican Latin American types.
The Chilean volcano Pesos are neat coins for sure. By far the majority of them appear to be 1817 F.J.'s with the rarer variety "Y" above the Pillar much rarer. They are not more expensive than some other types from that era: e.g. Argentinean sunfaces. They are more expensive than Mexican Cap & Rays Pesos which were made until 1897 or the Bolivian 8 reales, head of Bolivar, or the Brazilian 960 reis.
Other common dates of these Volcano Pesos are 1821 and 1834.
Like yourself I'm trying to put together a type set of all the crowns in nice condition. I'm especially looking for the 1846 8 reales of Ecuador, the early 8 reales (1819-21) of Colombia, and a Dos Bandaras (8 escudos) of Chile (1818-1834).
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07/16/2013 12:12 am
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Wow, those two Peru second type standing liberty are superb - I only have the first style (but that one was not the first republican coin, there was one before). I have yet to find that volcano at the price I got my sun face :) As for the mexican cap and ray ... don't forget the hooked-necked one which is in fact quite expensive :) (I don't have it, but I have the first Iturbide issue made before) I take my time for that volcano peso, I know I'll find one at a decent price someday. That ecuador coin you are looking for is another rarity indeed :D And the Chile 8 escudos ... that's a beautiful coin indeed ! Here is my colombia 8 reales (early one - very weak strike) :    |
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