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I was perusing ebay last night and ran across this auction, I bid but backed out before the end. Too worn, unkown grading company, but I've always wanted a 1794 large cent, I'll keep waiting until I find a better condition one at a fair price. Was this a good price? Real coin? It looked good, just cleaned and beat to heck.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1794-HEAD-O...171069955040
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 Posted 07/10/2013  6:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rachums107 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
g4 red? more like poor 2 discolored.
Coin holder aside, looks like a real one to me. No one would fake a crap job like this. Its been cleaned with something terrible though
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 Posted 07/10/2013  6:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add g048406 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That coin should be shot, buried and the ground above should be salted so nothing ever grows there. JMO

PS: That grade is a joke, but, the grading company is also a joke so it makes sense.
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Oh dear! A British coin of that age in that condition (like a George III halfpenny) would be in the 10p bin. They ought to give negative grades for coins like that!
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Remember this coin. It's what happens when copper meets E-Zest; that's the exact color it turns.
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 Posted 07/10/2013  8:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TJsCoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Poor condition and cleaned
$20-30 bucks tops and buyers regret probably.
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You guys have some strange comments sometimes...
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Thanks guys exactly why I dropped out of the bidding, I figure I should just spend a couple of hundred and get a nice example with some details showing. I thought it was real, and cleaned with something quite abrasive good tip on the E-Zest, never heard of that cleaner. The color looked weird for sure. I was thinking at $35.00 or so it would be cool, I would have cracked it out and made it a cool pocket piece to show off to people.
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Personally, I would rather have a relatively problem free chocolate brown PO-1 even if it meant a thinner wallet.
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Gotta love the RD grade. I need a 94 but would not even use it as a filler for $10
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I thought it was real, and cleaned with something quite abrasive good tip on the E-Zest, never heard of that cleaner.


Thiourea. It's what they dip silver in. OK for silver, copper, not so much.
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Thanks guys exactly why I dropped out of the bidding,


Good decision to bail out on this one. There will be other better opportunities
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E-Zest, never heard of that cleaner.

It was formerly known as Jeweluster.
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Be patient and contact some actual large cent dealers and they will find you a nice G condition 1794 with no problems. I would suggest staying away from a coin that makes you look away due to the harshness of the cleaning and the repulsive nature of the coloration. Life is too short to buy ugly, damaged, over graded early copper.
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It was formerly known as Jeweluster.


Now that I know - nasty stuff!


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Personally, I would rather have a relatively problem free chocolate brown PO-1 even if it meant a thinner wallet.


My exact thoughts during bidding.


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PS: That grade is a joke, but, the grading company is also a joke so it makes sense.


Agreed - but still thought it was real that was the main thing. I know grading - but still can fall short on authentication, especially on stuff I'm not so familar with.


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You guys have some strange comments sometimes...


Well duh - what do you expect form a bunch of folks that get all excited by bits of old change!


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Be patient and contact some actual large cent dealers and they will find you a nice G condition 1794 with no problems. Life is too short to buy ugly, damaged, over graded early copper.


Good advice, I've given that same advice myself before on other series. I'll keep looking I'm in no hurry, it's just something that popped up while I was bored and ebay picking!

So what I can take from this is I was right not to buy at the price it sold for, I should wait and go with my gut instinct and own advice, and the coin besides being in a joke slab, and harshly cleaned was real.

Thanks all you guys rock
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Huh, no details slab? It is obviously a details coin; cleaned, pitted, and scratched.
I don't know the value but the seller started the auction at .99 with free shipping and the bidders determined that price.
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