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Pillar of the Community
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Now questions begin, how best to mount? It should have a M39 thread on it, I will need to hook it up to my M42 mount on my bellows. Forwards as normal or reversed? It's F/4-22 where is the sweet spot on setting aperture for coins? Are most shooting wide open? How to tell which model I got? Link to auction I won, (lens will be here in about a week): http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rodenstock-...221252183821 Hope I did good, lens looks like it's in excellent condition for under $100.00 I've watched these sell for close to $400 the past few months, I had a search set-up and was notified as soon as the auction went up, and I jumped on this one after a quick look at the photos/feedback, etc. I will probably need some adapter rings first. I'm using the later Pentax Auto Bellows II, the model with the geared rail, not the tube rails. I'm very excited to try this lens out after reading so much about it's quality here and on other websites. Wont have a full frame camera to use for awhile so will use my 20Da or 7D Canon DSLRs to start tests with. Thanks for any tips of help with questions CCF photo nuts! "Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440
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Generally F11-16 is best ( at least that's what I've been told)
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Firstly, you got an absolutely STEAL on that lens for $99! I paid $230 and $270 for my two examples. Regarding the sweet spot: you will want to keep it between f/4 and f/8 on the turn dial. Mine never goes above the half-tick between 5.6 and 8. I have shot wide open (f/4) only when I'm doing a 3-stack or something like that. 5.6 is a pretty safe bet if you want to "set it and forget it". To attach your 75ARD1 Lens to your bellows you need an adaptor like this one: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Leica-M39-L...320968767651You used to be able to find these for like $3 each from US sellers, but the ones I purchased about a year ago (from the exact same seller) are now listed on ebay for $23 each! Insane. It's worth ordering now as they will come from China and will take a while to arrive.
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Oh, by the way...if you wanted to get started shooting a little bit sooner, I believe I have an extra M39 --> M42 adapter ring at home. If you wanted I would send it to you for $4 shipped from Minnesota (my cost plus $1 for shipping it to you). Send me an email on here if you wanted to do that. No pressure, I just can't figure out why on earth these adaptors from USA sellers are listed for $20+ on ebay!
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Quote: irstly, you got an absolutely STEAL on that lens for $99! I paid $230 and $270 for my two examples. THanks, I thought so too, I was probably looking at the two in that price range on ebay before you got them, I've had the search up for more than a year hoping to get lucky, hopefully when it arrives I can say I did! Sent you an email regarding the adapter. So mine is the ARD1 model? You are using this lens in correct oreintation and not reversed - correct?
"Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440
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Regular orientation, yes. You purchased the correct version, the one optimized for 1:1 magnification. The other one is optimized for 2:1 magnification. I purchased both of my lenses on the Bay between 1.5 and 2 years ago. They don't show up on ebay all that often for less than $300 in excellent or better condition. The one I got for $270 was absolutely mint/gem condition. I'm not convinced it was every used at all. I think you will really like this lens. I can't find any complaints really for the money. I think Ray has converted many numismatic photographers to this lens. I know of 4 that do very good work with this particular lens. I forget, are you shooting Canon or Nikon?
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Quote:They don't show up on ebay all that often for less than $300 in excellent or better condition. Tell me about it! I waited over a year for this deal, I passed, reluctantly, on several previous offerings, they always seemed to sell quick too! Quote: I forget, are you shooting Canon or Nikon? I'm a Canon guy - lots of options for bodies, 1Ds, 20Da, 30D IR modded, 7D, 5DmkII, 5DmkIII - I really avoid using the 1Ds as I don't like it and the sensor is filthy, it should go to CPS in Irvine soon, and it has no drivers to let me tether it to my computer like the other cameras. In the mean time since the other cameras are really set up for my astrophotography use, I may just get a Rebel xs or similar with live view. I've got all the toys from 100mm F/2.8 Canon lens (1st gen) to Right angle eye piece and remotes both wireless and wired. I won't have the 5D's for use until my roommate returns from a photo trip he is taking next week, until August - to shoot Route 66. (The 5D's are his cameras, but he lets me use them whenever I need them.  I really should just buy a 5DmkIII but taxes hit me hard this year, so it's out of the question unless I win the lotto - and I don't play that 
"Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440
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WOW West, great deal on the 75ARD1! I've purchased the fixed aperture version for around that money but never a variable aperture one.
As for best aperture, it mainly depends on the size of the coin you're shooting. Looking at your camera list, all are FF except the 7D, so it might seem they would require different apertures. However, the higher magnification required by the FF cameras is offset by the higher pixel density of the 7D, so ultimately the optimum aperture is not so different. All your FF cameras have DLA of f10 or so, while your 7D is around f7. But your FF cameras need a higher magnification to fill the frame. As an example, let's say you're shooting Cents, which are 19mm diameter...
mag for FF is 24/19=1.26 mag for 7D is 15/19=0.78
To keep the system right on the edge of being diffraction-limited, you need to keep the effective aperture at or below the DLA of the camera. The equation is:
min lens aperture = DLA /(1+m)
for the FF cameras, MLA = 10/2.26=f4.2 for the 7D, MLA = 7/1.78=f3.9
So to stay inside the DLA of the camera, you need to run your lens wide open at f4. The FF cameras will have less DOF because they are being run at higher magnification, so there may be a slight advantage to the 7D. Bottom line, it doesn't really matter which camera you use, the results should be fairly similar in image quality for Cents.
Now, running wide open at f4 may not give good enough DOF even for the 7D, so you may want to drop down to f4.7 or even f5.6 for Cents. I shoot Cents at f4.7 as a compromise between lens aberrations, depth of field, and diffraction on my T2i, which has the same sensor as your 7D.
The 75ARD1 is a duplication lens, and is most at home around 1:1 magnification. For Dollars, the magnification on FF is 0.63:1, and on the 7D it's 0.39:1. This gives the advantage to the FF cameras as they are being used nearer to the optimum range of the lens. The result is that you will want to stop down the lens a bit more on the 7D than on the FF cameras when shooting Dollars. On my T2i, I shoot Dollars at f8. This gets the lens well into the range where it is sharp across the field. For the FF cameras, you might get by with as big as f5.6 but I'd suggest f7.1 to be safe. Ultimately the effective aperture is still about the same, since f8 on the 7D will be f11 effective, while f7.1 on the FF cameras will be f11.6 effective.
As you can see, it probably doesn't matter which camera you use, but your aperture settings need to be tailored to both the camera and the size of coin you are shooting.
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Thanks for all the detailed info, just received word that I needed to change shipping address as the lens is coming UPS and can't go to my PO Box. I should have the lens on Monday looking forward to trying it out, and will keep you all updated. Ray great information as usual you are always kind and generous with your knowledge and sharing it. BRG too!
Can't wait to get this on my bellows and give it a try!
"Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440
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Quote: Can't wait to get this on my bellows and give it a try! If you're not tired of playing around, you can always set the aperture wide open and experiment with z-stacking. 
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brg what camera do you use? I've seen your site and your photos are fantastic!
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Quote: brg what camera do you use? I've seen your site and your photos are fantastic! If I recall correctly, brg is (like most of us image geeks) on a Canon dSLR/bellows setup. The Canons are favored because of their electronic first shutter screen, which rmpsrpms has demonstrated to be superior to Nikon's implementation in terms of lesser induced vibration affecting final sharpness. So keep in mind, if you buy a used Canon 450D or newer, a cheap bellows setup on ebay, and any one of a number of cheap duplicating lenses, you can shoot images that are 95% of the very best ever seen here, for the price of a nice P&S.
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The Canons are favored because of their electronic first shutter screen, which rmpsrpms has demonstrated to be superior to Nikon's implementation in terms of lesser induced vibration affecting final sharpness. Now this will get some people thinking...if your that worried about Mirror vibration then have a look at one of the new sony DSLR like cameras.........though they look like a DSLR they aren't: the translucent mirror doesn't move at all.
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Quote: Now this will get some people thinking...if your that worried about Mirror vibration then have a look at one of the new sony DSLR like cameras.........though they look like a DSLR they aren't: the translucent mirror doesn't move at all. It's not mirror vibration that is the issue. Most DSLRs have no issue with mirror slap as long as you use Live View mode. The mirror is in lock-up position for the exposure. The issue is shutter shake, which is a smaller problem than mirror slap but does cause reduced sharpness. Canon cameras with Live View use EFSC as SD has said, so this makes them just a bit sharper. Sony NEX6 and NEX7 (are there newer ones?) also have EFSC as well as no mirror as you state above, so are seemingly good choices for coins. Only problem is there is no good PC tethering solution (again, does anyone have different info?) so Canon wins hands-down for their FREE software with superb functionality.
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