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Differences Between PCGS And Australian Grades

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One of the popular topics here revolves around Australian coins graded by PCGS at seemingly incorrect gradings.

I've written an article which discusses the main points where PCGS' grading process differs from Australian grades to provide some understanding on why certain coins are awarded certain grades hopefully enabling collectors to source certified coins with a more knowledgeable approach.

Link: http://www.numismatics.com.au/Blog/...alian_Grades
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 Posted 07/22/2013  11:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mschipp to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very good read - thanks wwww
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 Posted 07/23/2013  12:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pheroow to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting. Thanks for your contribution.
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This is an extremely well written article. Thank you wwwww!!!
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An excellent overview for the most part, but I would take issue with one of your points.

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Without any sizable hoards however, the 1943-S sixpence is incredibly difficult to find in such a state. As a result, dealers tend to call examples of this date with slight wear, numerous surface marks, and impaired lustre as uncirculated. This process is known as market grading, in which the coin is awarded an uncirculated grading because such as coin is worth an uncirculated price.

PCGS on the other hand grade all coins to the same standards. For this reason, the 1943-S sixpence is much more valuable in an MS slab than it is graded locally as uncirculated while decimal coins will often be awarded MS gradings when they'd only be considered EF to an Australian dealer.

But PCGS is a market grader. In the name of "eye appeal", they do grade different coins differently, over and above their "technical grade", depending on the perceived market value of the coin. Although PCGS founder David Hall is on the record as disliking the term for semantic reasons, they say right here on their glossary page that market grading is what they actually do.

If PCGS don't employ market grading for Australian coins, it's simply because they're not familiar enough with the Australian market to do it properly. But it is certainly employed in the various American coinage series which they grade.
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Thanks for taking the time to share- Appreciated.!!
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But PCGS is a market grader. In the name of "eye appeal", they do grade different coins differently, over and above their "technical grade", depending on the perceived market value of the coin. Although PCGS founder David Hall is on the record as disliking the term for semantic reasons, they say right here on their glossary page that market grading is what they actually do.

If PCGS don't employ market grading for Australian coins, it's simply because they're not familiar enough with the Australian market to do it properly. But it is certainly employed in the various American coinage series which they grade.


Interesting, my comments are based on my experience with how they grade Australian coins. While they do factor in eye appeal, they don't employ different standards for different series though as you said this is probably because they're not familiar with the various standards employed here. The same could possibly be true about my comments on strike. I don't think they will be employing market grading in Australia because our market was still fairly immature when they entered, grading standards really weren't well defined for anything other than Geo V issues so their grading standards became the standard here fairly quickly.

Personally I'd hope they never start using market grading on Australian coins, my views on it are the same as David's. One of thing aspects I like about PCGS grading in Australia is their strict consistency. It makes it so easy for new collectors to learn to grade if a single standard is consistently applied.
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