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 Posted 07/24/2013  12:37 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add BuckBear to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I found these two coins as part of an old inheritance. I'm pretty good with google but had some trouble finding these other than some close matches in Justinian coins. For reference the one with the big head also has the chariot and horses on the back. Thank you all for any help you can offer.

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 Posted 07/24/2013  12:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BuckBear to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I should mention, they are slightly bigger than a silver dollar but don't weigh as much.
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Well, the "one with the big head & the horses" is based on the design of a Syracuse tetradrachm. Head of the nymph Arethusa surrounded by dolphins on one side, chariot & four horses on the other because the tyrant of Syracuse won the Olympic chariot race but was denied a medal (so he went home & commemorated the event on his own coinage).
If it's "bigger than a silver dollar but doesn't weigh as much", I wouldn't tend to think it genuine, as the original should be about quarter-sized (although thicker) & made of silver.

The other has the design of a Byzantine piece, but again, ancient coins (aside from a very few, enormously rare exceptions) rarely exceed 3 cm in diameter.
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The second coin is supposed to be a Follis of the emperor Justinian I from Nicomedia officina A year 12 of his reign. Sear #201. I have some doubts that the coin is real. It could just be because I'm seeing it along side a fake coin. Lets see what the others have to say about it.
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I'm pretty sure that byzantine coin is fake, compare to this post form the forum several years ago...

https://goccf.com/t/67189


also checkt he weight, that should probably be around 20 grams if real.

please get a more expert opinion than mine however.
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It looks the same.
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The top one is actually a replica of the rare and popular Syracuse dekadrachm. The Byzantine one is, as pointed out above, another example of the very commonly encountered Justinian fake, the same as the one in the link chrsmat71 posted. The little "die crack" outside of the "PP" in the obverse legend once again gives it away.

These kinds of replica coins are very commonly sold to tourists in Turkey, Greece, Italy etc..
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Even as replicas, are they worth anything?
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 Posted 07/25/2013  3:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sadly no.
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Both Fake.
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