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1854 Gold Dollar

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 Posted 08/01/2013  11:12 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add skylight585 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
One of my favorites..I plan to submit it to anacs soon.. in the meantime, I would appreciate everybodys input!

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 Posted 08/01/2013  11:16 pm  Show Profile   Check vermontensium's eBay Listings Check vermontensium's eCrater Listings Bookmark this reply Add vermontensium to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You want my input!

She's a beauty :)

MS63

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 Posted 08/01/2013  11:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
MS62 or 63 likely from this coin, need better (sharper) and closer photos or larger photos to really nail down a grade. Looks uncirculated mid range from what I can tell from your photos.
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 Posted 08/01/2013  11:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zxcccxz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A beauty! MS64 from ANACS, MS63 from PCGS.
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 Posted 08/02/2013  12:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add D0ubl3Eagle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If you don't mind me asking, could you post clearer pictures of both the obverse and reverse? The reason I ask is the reverse looks a bit unusual to me. The rim from about 9-12 o'clock has a kinda saw tooth appearance and the lettering has a rounded look. The coin looks MS from the pictures.
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railroad rim? Is that a die crack running through the F of OF on the reverse? A lot going on with this coin. Defintely need clear big photos!
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 Posted 08/02/2013  07:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add skylight585 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hey guys! Thanks for the feedback!I will try to post better pictures tonite..it took me 30 min to get those to come out some what decent.lol cannot seem to get it to focus properly, the glare is just to intense..I guess I have to find a sweet spot with the lighting..any tips? Always seem to have problems photographing gold.
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UNC details, it appears to have been cleaned.
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MS-63.
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 Posted 10/23/2013  10:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add skylight585 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well, I ended up submitting this coin to anacs and the results were....."not genuine, struck copy" very disappointed and shocked! I had very high hopes for this coin! I had 4 dealers check this coin out and they all drooled over it....is it possible that anacs maybe wrong? First time using anacs, I know they are ranked a step down from pcgs and ngc but I would think they are still extremely reputable regardless..thoughts/input!?!?
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 Posted 10/24/2013  12:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add D0ubl3Eagle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
All 4 of the major TPG's are pretty good at authentication so if ANACS says it is fake, it very likely is. I originally thought counterfeit was a possibility due to the rounded letters and odd rims which did not look like other genuine coins but I did not feel I could really call it either way without further evidence from additional pictures.
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 Posted 10/24/2013  12:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add FadeToBlack to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I was actually going to say I think this is a counterfeit. Gold dollars are heavily counterfeited.
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 Posted 10/24/2013  01:47 am  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
ANACS is not wrong, the coin looks to be made of brass, color is way off. It's authenticity has been confirmed by ANACS as a struck copy and one look at the reverse letters/color will tell you why. Sorry about the misfortune.
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 Posted 10/24/2013  10:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dsfreeworld to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
skylight, I invested heavily into old gold over the course of 2013. I bought a pair of calipers, a digital scale and studied as many genuine examples as I could find. At this point, I am more confident in my abilities to spot fakes and protect myself.

I would suggest the calipers and scale as a start.

and I know I might sound like I am only stating the following in retrospect but the coin pictured looked like a cast copy as soon as I saw it so no, ANACS does not have it wrong. I'm surprised the local dealers held this coin and did not see it was a cast copy.

My last suggestion is to purchase even "details" graded gold to A) save money but more importantly, B) learn what an in-hand cleaned yet genuine piece of old gold looks and feels like.

sorry this one did not work out for you.
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 Posted 10/25/2013  12:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add skylight585 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the input everybody..I will most definitely be very careful and do a bit more research before purchasing old gold. Ill consider it to be a learning experience rather than a loss.
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