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Tiny Cross Coin - Vandals? Romans?

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Looks like blundered legend on the obverse - I doubt theres any ruler who's name can be formed using only vertical lines. But perhaps its just been taken by time - who could have such a chunky legend?

The same problem presents itself on the cross side, which has evidence of letters but has been reduced to what would be described as a wreath, I fear. The coin itself is very nice but has been cleaned by someone very impatient and then waxed and I dont want to risk any more work on it.

Heres the pictures, hopefully somebody more familiar with
the coinage of the time will help:

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Tiny-Cross-Coin---Vandals?-Romans?

For anyone interested, the lot included a better than expected Salonina Antoninianus, an Arcadius Victory crowning (A coin I've been after), a Valens GLORIA ROMANORVM (dragging captive), a junk scyphate (im going to depatinate and shine it up a bit, hopefully its billon - no detail except a faint cross and its pretty mashed up) and a junk giant M.

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No idea, but that's pretty cool. Looking forward to the ID.
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Vandals and Alans Hilderic to Hunneric nummis. Unlisted. Unrecorded. Sold $900 in EF at auction. I will try to find the listing. It was provided by Dionysos sometime ago. When I first posted mine.

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Wow! Lets hope so. How does one go about IDing and authenticating such a thing? And if it does turn out to be that, how the hecks would I sell it for full effect? As much as I love the coin and its history, raising funds for Uni is a lot higher on my list and if I can get even £5 out of the venture, it would be good (thats a day's worth of good food right there!).
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I think it's most likely Theodosius II, Vandal coins are few and far between. In any event the only way to know for sure is to send it out for certification. I hope it is what you think, that would be a rare find.
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I have no idea how id check such a thing. Any ideas?
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Ben, if you need to Id something, you can send up to 10 coins to the British Museum. They ask you send sufficient funds for return registered postage, and a donation is always welcome. I have some details somewhere if you are interested.
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Pishpash - thats a darn good idea. I'm visiting the british museum soon, I was thinking of taking a couple of shabtis up for authentication. Perhaps I can also bug their numismatists!
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Wow, $900! But its a lot different to mine. Shorter legends, at least (if mine has a legend, that is).
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I think it's most likely Theodosius II, Vandal coins are few and far between. In any event the only way to know for sure is to send it out for certification. I hope it is what you think, that would be a rare find.
Exactly. With types that were widely imitated (like the cross reverse and Victory advancing left), there isn't really a way to tell whether a late imitative is a mint product from one of the settled Germanic tribes, and not a backyard job (or even a badly degraded imperial issue), without a king's name or perhaps a mintmark of a city under their control. When looking for Vandal coins, I stick to types unique to them, such as KART FELIX, or the palm tree reverse (there are at least a couple inexpensive ones on ebay as I type).
Ben, I hope your coin is Vandalic, but I wouldn't put money on it. Still an interesting piece to have.
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Does some one have a picture of this Theo II?I'd like to see it.
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I will give you a fiver for it!
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Nate here is a Theodosius II.



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