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 Posted 08/13/2013  09:59 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add shootnstarz to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Has anyone ever run across a fake slab, a top TPG slab?

How common would they be and are they easy to detect?

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Two dealers in my area (upstate NY) have recently fallen for fake 1895s morgans in "PCGS" slabs. I did not see the coins in hand but they must have bought the holder and not the coin..
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"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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Ayup. I collect all three combinations, actually:

1) Fake slabs with fake coins
2) Fake slabs with real coins; and
3) Real slabs with fake coins

:-)

Don't have many pictures of them though; however, here's one (fake slab, fake coin):

Fake-Slabs

They are becoming increasingly more common, especially on ebay and to the point that TPGs are really pushing for that amendment to the Hobby Protection Act to increase penalties for forging them.
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How can you detect the fake slab? Is the coin a fake silver or other metal?

IMHO thieves of all classes are getting off way too easy. But if the bulk of them come from china there's no real cure for that. What a shame the world is so infested with such scum. If I ever catch anybody stealing from me I'm going to pray for restraint to keep my emotions from making me do something I'll probably regret, though it will feel good at the time.

There really isn't a word in the English language for me to describe my feelings toward thieves.

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go to this site and it will show you some of the fake slabs and the differences to look for http://coins.about.com/od/coingradi...Diagnostics/
This may not be all of them that are out there but it is a starting point
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As with fake coins themselves, fake slabs come in a broad spectrum of quality, from the laughably easy to spot (like the ones with "barcodes" made up of a bunch of letter "I"s) right through to the ones that are so good no-one has spotted them yet.
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How can you detect the fake slab? Is the coin a fake silver or other metal?


The one in the picture shows some brassing on the peaks of the devices and a close look at the strike shows it's a fake, but this particular serial number shows up on ebay all the time and never with the same coin in the holder. :-)
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(like the ones with "barcodes" made up of a bunch of letter "I"s)


WANT! :-)

*Cough*... Pardon me, I lost my composure there for a sec. But seriously, I'd love that one in my collection. :-)
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The link that Bryan posted shows the diagnostics for the first generation Chinese fake slabs. Most of the ones encountered now can't be identified by those diagnostics.
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Dealers have shown me faked slabs that looked as good as a real one. And also some that were actually funny since made so bad. However, even bad ones can be sold to the average collector since so few really know what is what with slabs. And with so many TPGS's out there, almost any slab with a strange name could be sold as if real. Who would know if a ICCRP slab was a real one or not. Probably not one person in a thousand. If you google TPGS's, you would find so many that most never heard of so how would most people know what is real and what isn't?
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Yup... Got two of them in separate auctions... Two dif years same rev... Funny thing is I didn't get to inspect them both together before one was stolen from my bag of stuff! ... Try and pawn that one chump!
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